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    ok - what to do? my new lonestar has an effects loop but should I use it?
    how exactly does an effects loop work? does it put the pedals after the preamp and before the rectifier?

    do od/dist pedals sound better out of the effects loop & modulation sound better in?

    give me all the deets as I don't have enough cables to try it out.
    Originally Posted by Brother_Budro


    Surely mike's (from Incubus) board is different than the one that is on guitar geek now









    Originally Posted by iamthearm


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  • #2
    An effects loop places effects after the preamp. It will make your mod effects cleaner I would think, but it's most useful for delays and reverb if you're running the amp overdriven. You (presumably) want to hear your overdriven signal delayed with a dry overdriven signal, not your clean guitar and a delayed clean signal, spat out into the overdrive. That's what a loop is good for...
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    • #3
      ahhhhh - so when I am using pedals in front of channel 1 (super clean) then thats ok.. but if I want to use my second channel overdriven I don't want delay, reverb, etc before that.

      I think I get it?
      Originally Posted by Brother_Budro


      Surely mike's (from Incubus) board is different than the one that is on guitar geek now









      Originally Posted by iamthearm


      I always imagined he just played through a giant tribal tattoo.



      good deals - cleverbastid, echoes22, openE, pwrightmd, SharkMinusBear, this1smyne, CrystalLake
      Formerly known as robjrussell


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      • #4
        You do.

        There are a few guys on here who have some stuff in front and some stuff in the loop. I think if I was going to go that way I'd want to put some kind of buffer or something in the loop because that's a lot of cable going on.
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        • #5
          You do.

          There are a few guys on here who have some stuff in front and some stuff in the loop. I think if I was going to go that way I'd want to put some kind of buffer or something in the loop because that's a lot of cable going on.


          I don't think you need a buffer in the effects loop, your signal should be strong enough at that point.

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          • #6
            I did the four-cable thing for awhile and felt like I had a ton of signal loss once everything was plugged in.
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            • #7
              ok - what to do? my new lonestar has an effects loop but should I use it?
              how exactly does an effects loop work? does it put the pedals after the preamp and before the rectifier?

              do od/dist pedals sound better out of the effects loop & modulation sound better in?

              give me all the deets as I don't have enough cables to try it out.


              just for the record, the rectifier is not part of the signal chain. it is the component in the amp that converts the power from AC to DC. amps run on DC and the outlet supplies AC. the effects loop puts the effects after the preamp but before the power amp. otherwise, it seems like you've got it.

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              • #8
                ahhh power amp - yes, that's what I meant.
                Originally Posted by Brother_Budro


                Surely mike's (from Incubus) board is different than the one that is on guitar geek now









                Originally Posted by iamthearm


                I always imagined he just played through a giant tribal tattoo.



                good deals - cleverbastid, echoes22, openE, pwrightmd, SharkMinusBear, this1smyne, CrystalLake
                Formerly known as robjrussell


                I'M SELLING ALL MY GEAR!!!! - http://acapella.harmony-central.com/...2#post43933242

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                • #9
                  I did the four-cable thing for awhile and felt like I had a ton of signal loss once everything was plugged in.


                  Did you run any buffers in front of the amp? The amp typically changes your signal to low impedance ones it leaves the effects loop, I could be wrong... it also depends on the length of your signal in the loop, but it would have to be really long....

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                  • #10
                    ahhhhh - so when I am using pedals in front of channel 1 (super clean) then thats ok.. but if I want to use my second channel overdriven I don't want delay, reverb, etc before that.

                    I think I get it?


                    You certainly do.

                    And while we're at it, parallel loops are no more complicated than series - They just incorporate a mixer if you want to set your effects 100% wet and have more/higher fidelity control over the dry/wet mix. Some people have problems with them because 100% on the mix doesn't function the same as a series loop on some amps...
                    Currently using:
                    Ibanez RG1570 (DiMarzio MegaDrive bridge) - Peavey Royal 8
                    Board:
                    RMC Wizard Wah (2005)
                    EHX Small Stone (Big box)
                    Boss SD-1 (Modded by PedalMods UK, 3-way gain voicing selection)
                    Ernie Ball VP-JR
                    Boss DD-3 (1987)
                    T-Rex Fuel Tank Jr.
                    Good dealings with: yourguitarhero, woolyh

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                    • #11
                      With my Roadster I put reverb/delays/chorus and phasers in the loop. It gives me a lot more control this way. Can you bypass the FX loop for each channel on a Lonestar?
                      This is a really great features on some Mesa like mine.
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                      • #12
                        my brain just exploded - say what now?

                        You certainly do.

                        And while we're at it, parallel loops are no more complicated than series - They just incorporate a mixer if you want to set your effects 100% wet and have more/higher fidelity control over the dry/wet mix. Some people have problems with them because 100% on the mix doesn't function the same as a series loop on some amps...
                        Originally Posted by Brother_Budro


                        Surely mike's (from Incubus) board is different than the one that is on guitar geek now









                        Originally Posted by iamthearm


                        I always imagined he just played through a giant tribal tattoo.



                        good deals - cleverbastid, echoes22, openE, pwrightmd, SharkMinusBear, this1smyne, CrystalLake
                        Formerly known as robjrussell


                        I'M SELLING ALL MY GEAR!!!! - http://acapella.harmony-central.com/...2#post43933242

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                        • #13
                          i run everything in front.
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                          • #14
                            i don't believe you have effects loop control per channel.

                            so i'm assuming you don't use od/dist pedals? or if you do - those would be pre effects loop?

                            With my Roadster I put reverb/delays/chorus and phasers in the loop. It gives me a lot more control this way. Can you bypass the FX loop for each channel on a Lonestar?
                            This is a really great features on some Mesa like mine.
                            Originally Posted by Brother_Budro


                            Surely mike's (from Incubus) board is different than the one that is on guitar geek now









                            Originally Posted by iamthearm


                            I always imagined he just played through a giant tribal tattoo.



                            good deals - cleverbastid, echoes22, openE, pwrightmd, SharkMinusBear, this1smyne, CrystalLake
                            Formerly known as robjrussell


                            I'M SELLING ALL MY GEAR!!!! - http://acapella.harmony-central.com/...2#post43933242

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                            • #15
                              but do you use your channel to overdrive/distort?

                              i run everything in front.
                              Originally Posted by Brother_Budro


                              Surely mike's (from Incubus) board is different than the one that is on guitar geek now









                              Originally Posted by iamthearm


                              I always imagined he just played through a giant tribal tattoo.



                              good deals - cleverbastid, echoes22, openE, pwrightmd, SharkMinusBear, this1smyne, CrystalLake
                              Formerly known as robjrussell


                              I'M SELLING ALL MY GEAR!!!! - http://acapella.harmony-central.com/...2#post43933242

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