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  • Demeter Tga-3 Pre And Power Tube Questions

    I have a nice and rare Demeter TGA-3 100 watt head and want to know if anyone on this forum has had any experience with this amp - ie: power tubes and preamp tubes tried out, effects processors, speaker cabs, etc....

    In short, I want to pick your collective brains for anything regarding this amp! It's a sweetheart and just wails. Awesome bell-like to meaty cleans, chunky crunch/rhythms to singing and very musical leads.

    Currently, I'm running Chinese 6L6's and some mixing of preamp tubes: Mullard CV4004 in V1, Mullard ECC83 in V2, EH 12AX7's in the rest of the spots.... I was told EL34's are not great in Demeters...WHY?

    I run a Rocktron Xpression processor (don't hit me, please!) in the loop through a 2 or 4 x 12 cab with V-30/G12 H-30 speakers mixed.....

    Any light shed on this bitch would be a help!
    When you think you're playing too loud, you probably are...but so what?"

  • #2
    bump for the night crew! Anyone out there even heard of Demeter amps??
    When you think you're playing too loud, you probably are...but so what?"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by tubebury/KT88
      bump for the night crew! Anyone out there even heard of Demeter amps??


      No but I think Chinese tubes are poo and the only thing wrong with Bogner IMO.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by guitarzan


        No but I think Chinese tubes are poo and the only thing wrong with Bogner IMO.


        I know the Chinese 6L6GCs are **************** and I have some JJ's 6L6GC and NOS C6A7s to try out... It's funny that this amp sounds killer EVEN WITH the Sino-junk-tubes.... Go figger.... The only problem is that the stock head shell cab is too small for the other power tubes, so I'm having a Marshall-sized head shell built to accomodate the new power tubes.... Cutom cab time!! ****************.... More $$$$$$$$$$$
        When you think you're playing too loud, you probably are...but so what?"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tubebury/KT88

          ****************.... More $$$$$$$$$$$


          Yes, that's just the way it seems to be
          Good luck in your quest for tone.

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          • #6
            Oh - I forgot to ask. How many channels does it have?
            ESP LTD Eclipse - EMG 81/85 -
            Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 100
            Marshall 1922 2x12 - Vintage 30's -

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            • #7
              didnt the guy from stone temple pilots use one of those on core?? i always thought that was one of the best tones ever.

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              • #8
                Yeah, he's said in several magazine articles over the years that it is his basic set up. I think he splits his signal and layers an AC30 in with it on quite a few songs too. On Core the heavy/dirty stuff is all Demeter/VHT. The chimey chord layers are VOX.
                ESP LTD Eclipse - EMG 81/85 -
                Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 100
                Marshall 1922 2x12 - Vintage 30's -

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 64DUECE
                  Dean Deleo (STP) runs the rack preamp version of that head into a VHT power amp w/ EL34's for the majority of his heavy tones.

                  I think he uses the Rocktron Intellifex for fx patches.

                  I saw them live a couple of times back in the day. Hanging on up front- the guitar just about ripped my face off. That amp has a very distinct sound.

                  Of course, that's the only time I've heard anything from Demeter. I have always wanted one since. They seem quite rare.....and expensive.

                  Can you post any clips? I'd really like to here how that gain sounds.


                  You are correct in that's what DeLeo used/uses.... I even previously had the TGP-3 preamp, had a VHT power amp and cabs, etc... it just never sounded very good to me. I gave up on tube preamp with power amp rigs... After a Soldano X99, CAE 3+SE, TGP-3, I figured if I couldn't make one of those work for me, forget it!

                  The TGA-3 is the SAME preamp, but built into a small chassis (and I mean small!) with Demeter's awesome power amp section (4 x 5881s), has a switch to select between 5881/6550s or EL34/C6A7s, a nice fx loop with multiple send/return levels and channel masters, 100/50 watt switch, etc. They are rare, only 20 of the 100 watt TGA-3's were made - mine the last one. The TGA-3 75 watters are more abundant and also sound great, but I spotted the 100 and "had to have it"!

                  I will try to post some clips soon, it really screams and has a nice, organic gain tone that still maintains a nasty edge to it (sounds like I'm a wine cork sniffer!). It's a three channel amp head - clean (think Bassman/tweed), crunch (think JTM to plexi to JCM800) and lead (can't describe). It has some very cool gain stacking and tone shift switches as well... It suits live work well and likes to crank up some, it sounds a little anemic until you get the power section smokin'.

                  OK: Tube suggestions!
                  When you think you're playing too loud, you probably are...but so what?"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 64DUECE
                    Yeah, he's said in several magazine articles over the years that it is his basic set up. I think he splits his signal and layers an AC30 in with it on quite a few songs too. On Core the heavy/dirty stuff is all Demeter/VHT. The chimey chord layers are VOX.

                    +1..... Now I have to snag an AC/30 too????
                    When you think you're playing too loud, you probably are...but so what?"

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                    • #11
                      Well, I'm running JJ 6L6gc power tubes in my Marshall right now. I like the extra low end that they seem to have.

                      After you get a bigger cab, try the JJ's and tell us how it sounds.

                      If I change out tubes again, I think I'm gonna try another set of JJE34L's.
                      I had some of these in a JCM 900 mklll. It was like the best of both worlds. A little bit more low end like a 6L6, but a little tighter low end like an EL34. The mids have a bit more of an edge too. Overall, another good sounding tube.

                      It sounds like you already have some nice preamp tubes. But if you're looking for something different, I have an Ei ecc83 in v1. I wonder what those would sound like in a high gain setting.

                      Just some suggestions.
                      ESP LTD Eclipse - EMG 81/85 -
                      Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 100
                      Marshall 1922 2x12 - Vintage 30's -

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                      • #12
                        Hey 64:

                        Those JJ's ARE great power tubes! I have used their 6L6GCs in my VHT and "6L6"-type amps and they rock. I have also used both the JJ EL and E34Ls and they kick ass as well! I'm not enamoured with the JJ preamp tubes though, they just sound drab, not bad, just unremarkable to me.

                        I have not tried the Ei ECC83, but may. Right now, I have a Tung-sol 12AX7 in V1 of my Cameron modded "Jose" Low gain '69 50-watter and it beats all others out. I stuck everything from Mullard CV4004s to Telefunkens to Chinese 12AX7s to RFTs in t6hat pig - you name it - and it still sounds the best. To think a tube I pulled out of a junky Fender Bassman head would sound so good 40+ years after it was made!

                        I have a ****************-load of power tubes to try in the TGA-3 including some old Philips C6A7s, NOS Teslas (NOT JJs!), NOS GE stubbies, Tung-sol 5881s, and on..... I think I'm just a gear nerd and not really a guitar player!

                        Hmmmm... I wonder what a set of KT88s would sound like in that thing? Hey, Ultra Lead! Move over!
                        When you think you're playing too loud, you probably are...but so what?"

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                        • #13
                          just a bump!
                          When you think you're playing too loud, you probably are...but so what?"

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                          • #14
                            bump for the night crew!
                            When you think you're playing too loud, you probably are...but so what?"

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                            • #15
                              Got any pictures of that beautiful Demeter rig of yours??

                              Jer

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