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    I am revamping some small wedges that have a 19" by 17" baffle. I have been considering using either coaxial 15's or a 12" and horn setup. I have no experience with coaxials and was wondering if they present any unique problems - more difficult feedback control, etc. Any advice would be appreciated.

  • #2
    Thanks for the reply. I believe these cabs have sufficient depth. Sounds like this may be the way to go.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Audiopile

      I dunno though: If everyone thought co-axial wedges are as good as I think they are, then they would be a lot more popular than they are. Obviously I'm missing something, but I don't know what it is?


      Possibly high freq coverage patter. and limited horn options, especially crossed over low.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by agedhorse


        Possibly high freq coverage patter. and limited horn options, especially crossed over low.



        check the specs on the PAS TOC monitor wedges....they use a 15" co-axial set-up,, and from experience,, I can say,, they DO have some serious output......I think the HF driver is a 2" !!!
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        • #5
          Radian also uses them in the micro wedge.

          It just limits designer's options, but I think they are a good idea personally.

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          • #6
            Selenium makes some decent value priced ones that come with the crossover and 205TI driver.Very nice sounding driver,IMO. I also have 6 of the old style Eminence cast frame models with the built-in horn tweeter.
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            • #7
              Thanks to everyone for the input.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Audiopile


                It's really fun to have good enough wedges and side fills where-in right after the first song many bands I've worked with, the talent's going..."uh...could you maybe turn my monitor down a little bit?...it sounds great...just maybe turn it down a couple notches?"


                We used 8 of the PAS wedges,and used a pair of TOC 2.2 for side-fill..., and yes,, you're right. When the monitors are exceptional, sometimes you DO get asked to "back them down a bit".......heavy rock and rolllers have a very strange look on their faces when they are the ones doing the asking!!!!



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                • #9
                  I have been searching for coaxial monitors on the internet for an hour. What I've found out is that, aside from Radian's Microwedge and the PAS products discussed above, there really isn't anything out there. Certainly nothing for the weekend warrior bar band (unless you count the Fender 1270 - and I don't).

                  So my question is, with Selenium offering a 12 and 15 coaxial and at a good price point (mid $100's), why hasn't anyone, big or boutique, made a coaxial stage wedge for "the rest of us"? Small, moderately priced and smooth are pretty much what we all want, yet I can't find a single offering.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by abzurd
                    I have been searching for coaxial monitors on the internet for an hour. What I've found out is that, aside from Radian's Microwedge and the PAS products discussed above, there really isn't anything out there. Certainly nothing for the weekend warrior bar band (unless you count the Fender 1270 - and I don't).

                    So my question is, with Selenium offering a 12 and 15 coaxial and at a good price point (mid $100's), why hasn't anyone, big or boutique, made a coaxial stage wedge for "the rest of us"? Small, moderately priced and smooth are pretty much what we all want, yet I can't find a single offering.



                    the PAS monitors are compact, rugged, and not really all THAT expensive...especially when you take into consideration the performance factor......they ARE within the reach of the "weekend warriors" if the warrior wants to get pro performance stuff with reasonable capital outlay...

                    lots of the weekend warriors are playing $3000-4,000 guitar and bass-drum rigs,,,, why not get the "good stuff" for the SRO as well?
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                    • #11
                      Unless the pricing I found was unreliable, I have to disagree. Few "weekend warriors" are gonna spend $1500 a piece for wedges. What bar band is toting around $6000+ in floor monitors?

                      It seems that the Selenium equivelent could be sold around $300 for an OSB constrution and less than $500 for birch or synthetic cabinets. I'm just surprised that someone hasn't designed such an offering since there seems to be absolutely nothing "prebuilt" around, yet there are moderately priced raw components available.

                      I gotta think something like this could be priced near the Yamaha Club and EV MI+ grade wedges, and yield comparable, if not better performance in a smaller footprint.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by abzurd
                        Unless the pricing I found was unreliable, I have to disagree. Few "weekend warriors" are gonna spend $1500 a piece for wedges. What bar band is toting around $6000+ in floor monitors?

                        It seems that the Selenium equivelent could be sold around $300 for an OSB constrution and less than $500 for birch or synthetic cabinets. I'm just surprised that someone hasn't designed such an offering since there seems to be absolutely nothing "prebuilt" around, yet there are moderately priced raw components available.

                        I gotta think something like this could be priced near the Yamaha Club and EV MI+ grade wedges, and yield comparable, if not better performance in a smaller footprint.



                        do any of the Selenium co-axial speakers use a 2" HF driver? THAT's the secret of the PAS HD Pro stuff,,,,,you don't need the extended frequency response of a sweet 1" driver,,, you need the balls to the walls performance and output of a 2" driver to keep up and maintain robustness......that's the whole advantage in a nutshell of using the 2" format drivers,,, you'd have to try pretty hard to be able to blow a 2" driver in ANYTHING,,,not that it hasn't been done....



                        even the JBL 2" hf drivers are around 500-600 each,, and the PRO-Audio spin-offs are 300.....not cheap,, but effective...
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by abzurd
                          Unless the pricing I found was unreliable, I have to disagree. Few "weekend warriors" are gonna spend $1500 a piece for wedges. What bar band is toting around $6000+ in floor monitors?

                          It seems that the Selenium equivelent could be sold around $300 for an OSB constrution and less than $500 for birch or synthetic cabinets. I'm just surprised that someone hasn't designed such an offering since there seems to be absolutely nothing "prebuilt" around, yet there are moderately priced raw components available.

                          I gotta think something like this could be priced near the Yamaha Club and EV MI+ grade wedges, and yield comparable, if not better performance in a smaller footprint.

                          This may be of interest to some of you, maybe not...
                          http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23786&item=2505112 884&rd=1

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                          • #14
                            I just might be working on something along these lines... but cost has been one issue that I have encountered.

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                            • #15
                              At the 1K+ price point, I would find it impossible not to recommend IEM systems vs. any quality of wedges.
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