Members Coverdale Posted October 20, 2004 Members Share Posted October 20, 2004 Hello there... In my band, we use a Yamaha MG 16/4 mixer... It has 2 aux send and 2 aux returns All the members of the band do backup vocals I will have a dedicated fx processor for my lead vocals, and they will have another one, different fx than me, but the same to all of them 1- Having only 2 aux, how do i do this?Use one aux for their fx, and use mine on the insert, leaving the remaining aux do monitors? Or is there some other way to do this? 2 - Is it ok to chain fx's on the insert? i've read that inserts are mostly to be used for compressors and stuff like that... Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted October 20, 2004 CMS Author Share Posted October 20, 2004 You have three or more aux's worth of need, but only two available. You could provide a discrete FX device for each vocal input, and use the inserts for this. That frees the aux's for monitor duty. It's iffy though, since wet/dry mix control depends entirely on the effect's controls. You also will compromise monitoring...effects in the monitor mix will greatly reduce gain before feedback. The obvious compromise is one channel of fx and one of monitor. This isn't as bad as it seems at all. You really shouldn't go hog wild with effects, esp. for backing vocals, and for a small band in small rooms one monitor mix is certainly better than none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coverdale Posted October 20, 2004 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2004 So, which fx should I put on AUX? mine or the backing vocal's? And i read somewhere that you could use a mixer channel to connect fx... Sorry if i don't make any sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members B. Adams Posted October 20, 2004 Members Share Posted October 20, 2004 Using effects as an insert is tricky. Not that it won't work, but it's difficult to change the amount of effect in the middle of things. And instead of using the aux return, you can run it back in through an open channel. This is very common, because it gives you a real fader to control the level, and you have control over the sound with the EQ, if you need it. It doesn't give you more aux's though. Why do you need 2 seperate effects? And yes, you can run multiple units on one insert or aux. And yes, inserts are usually used for things like compressors and EQ's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coverdale Posted October 21, 2004 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2004 I need 2 seperate effects because, all the back vocals will have one, and I will switch between presets on mine ( adding harmonies and other stuff) So,the best option is running it back through an open channel, is that it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members B. Adams Posted October 21, 2004 Members Share Posted October 21, 2004 Well, if you have an open channel, you don't have to use an aux return. Depends on what your needs are I guess. And something I just thought of. Could you take a direct out from your channel and run it to the effects unit? I've never tried it or anything, but if your direct outs are post fader it might work OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted October 21, 2004 CMS Author Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by B. Adams Well, if you have an open channel, you don't have to use an aux return. Depends on what your needs are I guess.And something I just thought of. Could you take a direct out from your channel and run it to the effects unit? I've never tried it or anything, but if your direct outs are post fader it might work OK. That mixer doesn't have separate direct outputs. It might be possible to better control the effects wet/dry mix by using an insert as a direct out and running to the fx unit and then back into a channel strip. The channel strip can control the effects mix to some extent (theres input but no output level control in this sceme). As to the question of which vocals get the auxiliary, I don't think it really matters. The real solution is a mixer that exceeds your present needs rather than limits them. This unit clearly isn't going to do what you want. In the same price range a Peavey RQ2318 would give you two effects and two monitor channels. For more money a better solution would be a Mixwiz, with 6 auxiliary sends and two built-in effects processors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coverdale Posted October 21, 2004 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2004 Well, but for the next few month's we will have to use this Mixer...if things improve $$$ maybe we'll trade it I guess it will have to be, one AUX for monitors, the other for general effects, and use mine on Insert... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members picker13 Posted October 21, 2004 Members Share Posted October 21, 2004 Couldn't he assign the back-up vocals to one of the "groups" and use the group out to feed the effects processor, then feed the effects out to an open channel? He could also do the same with the lead vocal into the other group, thereby eliminating the need to use the effects in the channel insert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members moody Posted October 21, 2004 Members Share Posted October 21, 2004 Another option (claytons aux send). Run the FOH mono, pan everything to the left except for your vocals which you centre. The right mains out is now an extra aux out but you will have to juggle the volume between it and the mains with the pan control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted October 21, 2004 CMS Author Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by picker13 Couldn't he assign the back-up vocals to one of the "groups" and use the group out to feed the effects processor, then feed the effects out to an open channel? He could also do the same with the lead vocal into the other group, thereby eliminating the need to use the effects in the channel insert. Yes, and no. He can use the group for one channel of effects. The two groups are actually a stereo pair. He can't use the pan to separate them, as this would also pan the main stereo output along with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members monthlymixcd Posted May 29, 2014 Members Share Posted May 29, 2014 Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but thought it better than starting a new one... given that my Q is essentially the same: I'm running out of Aux sends on our Soundcraft GB4-32. I was using our Lexicon MX200 dual mono on Auxes 7 & 8 and returning each effected signal to open channels on the mixer. Our violinist went IEM and needed a dedicated monitor mix so there went Aux 7. I'm currently using the MX200 as dual mono, but in series... turning one effect off when I need the other... which is NOT ideal. Per the last topic in this thread, can I use the Groups on my GB4 (currently unused) as the FX sends? This would get me back to two FX on tap and also free up Aux 8 for another monitor mix... which might come in handy. If yes, how would I connect my MX200 and how would I configure the mixer to best do this? Thanks in advance...MMCD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted May 29, 2014 Members Share Posted May 29, 2014 I wouldn't, you lose proportional control of your sends via groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members monthlymixcd Posted May 29, 2014 Members Share Posted May 29, 2014 How so? If I'm just sending to FX and returning the wet signal... explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted May 29, 2014 CMS Author Share Posted May 29, 2014 How so? If I'm just sending to FX and returning the wet signal... explain? Because aux's have a send level control per channel send, while groups are an on/off from a channel to the group. While you can control the overall group send level to the effects unit, you can't regulate how much of each channel is being sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members monthlymixcd Posted May 30, 2014 Members Share Posted May 30, 2014 Ah. But, assuming that I know what I'm doing with the channel input trims for each of my four vocalists (and usually only send just enough of the wet signal to FOH to be heard... and even then usually only when one person is singing) I should be OK, right? I mean, I can't really ruin things... I can always just mute the FX channel strip if it turns to mud, right? Is there a better use for the Groups? Typically, I'm tweaking the horns or drums mixes all night depending on the style of music being played by our band (rock, swing, disco, country, etc.) so it's just not practical to submix them to a group for the entire show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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