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  • #31
    +1 for getting a single quality powered speaker (QSC HPR12, JBL PRX512s are some favorites around here) and a small mixer (Yamaha, Mackie).

    If/when you outgrow it or decide to invest more, it's a solid foundation for a "full" small PA.
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    • #32
      How about:

      2 EV Zx1 ($500)
      1 QSC Gx3 ($300)
      1 Used Mackie 1202 ($150)
      1 Audiopile R2UE-14 Case ($95)

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      • #33
        ... might have been due to user error in the setup, ( I certainly hope so) ...


        I'm thinking user error...

        I love the Impulse 1012s, too... but they sound best LOUD... and I'd never run them without subs. Do those two things and now you're talking a decent power amp(s)... and a monitor rig for the performers as well... and a better mixer... the know-how to hook it all up and run it... and a lot more than $1000.

        +1,000,000 to the single GOOD powered speaker/small mixer route... that's heading down the right road.
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        • #34
          I'm thinking user error...

          I love the Impulse 1012s, too... but they sound best LOUD... and I'd never run them without subs. Do those two things and now you're talking a decent power amp(s)... and a monitor rig for the performers as well... and a better mixer... the know-how to hok it all up and run it... and a lot more than $1000.


          OP is already renting PA's so the know-how for set-up is already assumed to be available, thereby negating the primary attribute of the Bose L systems (ease of set-up for noobs). The Impulses still sound good at lower volumes too. I've used them for a very polite-sounding jazz ensemble with good results.

          Realistically, that little Bose "sub" has no bottom end to speak of. It is electrically shelved down at 45 hz. Likely the filter starts to slope the sound off starting in the 60 hz "kick" region. Even with a -10db response @ 52 hz, the Impulses have more than enough cone area compared to the Bose sub to still push more air and kick out some SPL's in the lower end.

          I can't really disagree with anything you've said. My point was that there are a great many alternatives using the traditional types of set-ups without having to go to the expense and (to these ears anyway) questionable sonics of the Bose systems in large spaces with mixers up front as you have suggested. To me, it's just not a good use of that system.
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          • #35
            Nothing you buy for $1,000 is really going to cover 200 people outside.

            But... think about what really would, and then buy as much of it as you can now, and the rest later.

            Buying the best speakers you can possibly afford is the best way to get the best sounding system... speakers make a huge difference.

            If her present little amp has a line out... maybe all you need is a single additional powered speaker to use as an additional power point.

            Or consider a bigger acoustic amp that DOES have a line out. The bigger acoustic amp might fill the bill many times, and eventually you can get an additional powered speaker to add to it when required.
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            • #36
              All great points! I only suggested the Bose as I thought that the OP did a good job describing the intended user... while as for the intended use...

              Nothing you buy for $1,000 is really going to cover 200 people outside...


              I guess that's the sticking point... but as stated, incrementally buying good gear for a scalable system is always a "best practice".
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              • #37
                Nothing you buy for $1,000 is really going to cover 200 people outside.


                I'm going to have to disagree with that statement as I've seen it done many times. My daughters vocal coach has a PA system similar to the one I've suggested that she uses for her singing group. They perform all over the place both indoor and out. She uses a powered mixer and a pair of wharfedale 15" and they do just fine for an outdoor crowd of 200. Now, if the group is really spread out, or there is a lot of competing noise, then it can become an issue, but most of the time, it sounds good and you can hear from anywhere in the audience. They play almost entirely with instrumental tracks, so I think it would do at least as well for an acoustic musician that won't need as much bass.

                Anyway, I'm on my way out the door. At the very least I have a number of good opinions and suggestions to keep in mind as I shop.

                Thanks!

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                • #38
                  I will throw my two cents in. I would get a Mackie ProFX8 and a good quality powered speaker. The Eons are real nice but expensive. I would go for the lower powered speaker 250 watts I think and save 200 bills. This would be a great core system to expand on and you shouldnt have more than 750 in it. It gives you the ability to grow.
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                  • #39
                    200 people outside....acoustic guitar and vocals. This isn't a rock concert people. Speakers on sticks will work just fine in this environment, the suggested system will probably work just fine, although I'd suggest going powered speakers/passive mixer for ease of upgrading in the future should she continue performing and need a bigger system.

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                    • #40
                      Nothing you buy for $1,000 is really going to cover 200 people outside.

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                      I would say that depends on the application. Certainly not for a hard rock show but for acoustic guitar and vocals at "adequate" volumes I think that is certainly achievable.

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                      • #41
                        Nothing you buy for $1,000 is really going to cover 200 people outside.


                        I disagree when the act is an acoustic guitar and singer. Loud isn't required, just coverage. Most of the powered speakers suggested will easily reach 125 dbc at 3 feet. Outdoors you get a 6 db drop with a doubling of distance and the farthest away you might want a level of 75 dbc. With a crowd of 200 listening and seated that might be 10 rows of 20. Probably less than 80 feet. That's less than a 30 dbc drop to the speakers, she would only need to reach 105 dbc to accomplish that. And would only need to reach 111 dbc to cover a distance of 160 ft. A single speaker of the type being suggested would handle the job. (Assuming it's mounted above the listener's heads. If they're walking around, you will need a good tripod stand.)

                        One more thing, if this is background music, the requirements are a lot lower.

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                        • #42
                          Okay, I'm back and contrary to what thought I was going to do...I followed the advice that most of you seemed to be giving.

                          I did not go back to GC, but purchased from the other local retailer, Evan's Music City - great place.

                          Anyway, after listening to the speakers demo'd, I kept coming back to the powered QSC K-12. They cranked it up and from anywhere inside the large showroom, the sound was fantastic. Granted, this is an indoor application, but at 1,000 watts, it should do well in the small venues I've mentioned.

                          The Max SPL is 131 db and it has 75 degree coverage. I moved all around the store and the sound was very impressive from every angle. I think I may have annoyed some of the other shoppers, but hey...I wanted to hear what it sounded like at real world volume.

                          Along with the required cables, I also bought a needed new boom mike, speaker stand and for the mixer, a Wharfedale Pro R-200; which I think will do the job nicely. For the time being, she'll use her powered amp as her monitor.

                          The total for everything with tax was right at $1100 so I did pretty good and staying close to budget and ended up with a really good quality, high powered speaker.

                          Thanks for nudging me in the right direction! oke:

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                          • #43
                            Cool! Enjoy the new gear and let us know how it works out!

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                            • #44
                              Great choice! I have a pair of the K10s and the Phonic version of that mixer... almost the same setup!!! (And I didn't even try to sell you on what I had... makes me feel good about my choice, too.) Enjoy!
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                              • #45
                                Glad to hear to found some capable gear

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