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  • Best vocal amp or PA solution with reverb for less than $200 USD ??? Need help!

    I am looking to get a nice anniversary present for my girlfriend, but I am on a limited budget of less than $200.

    Here is what I need:

    Something that will amplify her voice, power the mic, and also have effects (at minimum reverb, others are nice too) , also needs to have Line out ...

    The Behringer ACX450 Ultracoustic 45-Watt Amplifier is perfect in every way, except it does not have line out.

    Does anybody know of a similar solution that has line out?

    There are so many guitar amps, but very few amps with XLR input. Is there any reason there are not more "dedicated vocal amp units"?

    Also, barring me being able to find any replacement for the Behringer, how terrible would it be to run a mic into a guitar amp? I found this article, but I noticed in the comments :

    i hate to break it to you, but if you are using a decent mic you are WRONG! a decent mic will be Low impedance, the spider input will be impedance. it is not generally a good idea to mix impedances. you would be better off getting a accoustic amplifier with a dedicated mic channel


    I don't know a lot about impedance. Will this make the mic sound less than optimal? What if I ran the mic through a pre-amp first, and then into the guitar amp, would that be acceptable?


    Also, the whole solution does not have to be 1 piece... Originally I was considering getting her this, but then I saw the Behringer and thought it would be better to give her the speaker too! .... So if you know of perhaps a less expensive (but still decent sounding) reverb unit (that can also power a mic ?), I could couple it with a PA speaker, or with mic pre-amp if necessary ...

    I know this is a lot to ask for less than $200 USD... But if the Behringer ACX450 is out there, it seems like there has to be something else similar that just has the 1 extra feature - line out.

    Any input is appreciated

  • #2
    Most Keyboard amps have a vocal channel and would work. You can look used for a nicer one. I really don't know of any with FX but they might have an FX loop out/in to add a cheap FX unit like and Alesis pico-verb.

    Boomerweps

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    • #3
      What does she intend to do with this thing? Why do you need a line out? $200 isn't going to give you a whole lot of choices.

      Here's your list of options.

      http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/navigation/packages-live-sound-pro-audio?N=100001+338358&Ns=P_Price|0&rpp=20

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      • #4
        The Peavey e208 and the Acoustic AG30 meet your criteria. No experience with them though.
        -

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        • #5
          There are a TON of acoustic amps out there,,,, just not in your (cough) optimistic (cough) budget range.

          This is a bit more expensive, and has all you need, and is REALLY COOL.

          I'm tempted to buy one myself.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjsQxxPe8rc

          http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193438
          Veni, Vidi, Velcro;

          (I came, I saw, I stuck around)

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          • #6
            What does she intend to do with this thing? Why do you need a line out? $200 isn't going to give you a whole lot of choices.


            Practice at home, and small gigs. Line out for versatility... For example she can have control of her own reverb settings and then run the line out into a venue's mixer

            Found pretty much exactly what I need with this:

            http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-K450FX-45-Watt-3-Channel-System/dp/B000S6MYX2/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2OVGI9TJMW7ZP&colid =2QUV44IATOJS2

            It's got great reviews everywhere too

            Still open to suggestions though if somebody knows something better. Thanks for all the input

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            • #7
              Practice at home, and small gigs. Line out for versatility... For example she can have control of her own reverb settings and then run the line out into a venue's mixer

              Found pretty much exactly what I need with this:

              http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-K450FX-45-Watt-3-Channel-System/dp/B000S6MYX2/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2OVGI9TJMW7ZP&colid =2QUV44IATOJS2

              It's got great reviews everywhere too

              Still open to suggestions though if somebody knows something better. Thanks for all the input


              Any venue that you play at that has their own PA will control the effects from the mixer and send her vocals back to the monitors. You wouldn't use any little $200 amp like you're looking at in any kind of performance situation.

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              • #8
                Any venue that you play at that has their own PA will control the effects from the mixer and send her vocals back to the monitors. You wouldn't use any little $200 amp like you're looking at in any kind of performance situation.


                I'm talking about places that don't even have a PA. Anywhere that does, we would still want her to control her own effects so she does not have to worry about whether the mix engineer will tweak the effects to her tastes. Bonus of using the amp as a monitor. But thank you for trying to make me feel inferior. Not everybody has thousands of dollars of disposable income and plays out every weekend. We just want to enjoy what we are doing.

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                • #9
                  I'm talking about places that don't even have a PA. Anywhere that does, we would still want her to control her own effects so she does not have to worry about whether the mix engineer will tweak the effects to her tastes. Bonus of using the amp as a monitor. But thank you for trying to make me feel inferior. Not everybody has thousands of dollars of disposable income and plays out every weekend. We just want to enjoy what we are doing.


                  I'm not trying to make you feel inferior, I'm trying to let you know how it works. You mentioned sending the line out to the venue's mixer, not me.

                  For those places that don't have a PA, what would you do? That little amp isn't going to be significantly louder than an unmiced voice and isn't suitable for any kind of performing. There's really nothing you can buy for $200 that will be. This isn't an insult or a put down, it's reality.

                  If you said what exactly it is that you're doing, you could probably get more useful help. Part of what this forum does is tries to prevent people from spending money on products that won't deliver the desired results.

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                  • #10
                    Use whatever you get for practice at home, or at gigs with no PA. Then if you play a place with a PA use the knowledge you've attained from your practice unit to convey to the soundtechs what you're looking for.

                    I can't think of a soundtech that would allow a signal from a unit of that kind, to be run to their board. Not saying you won't find one, but I can't think of any.

                    Anyway, that little unit could be fine for a year or two. When it breaks please recycle it, don't just chuck it in the garbage. One of my pet peeves about Behringer gear is that I suspect too much of it winds up in landfills instead of being recycled.

                    Just call me Envirogeek.

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                    • #11

                      I can't think of a soundtech that would allow a signal from a unit of that kind, to be run to their board. Not saying you won't find one, but I can't think of any.


                      Good to know. What about XLR output from a unit like this? I may get her the amp for now and the effects pedal later on

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                      • #12
                        Good to know. What about XLR output from a unit like this? I may get her the amp for now and the effects pedal later on


                        Effects include: Mic pre and voice characters, compresion, EQ, noise gate, chorus, flanger, phaser, tremolo, vibrato, strobe, doubler, envelope, pixelator, detune, pitch shifter, whammy, digital delay, ping pong delay, and 8 reverb types

                        I hate to keep being the wet blanket, but you really don't want those effects on vocals. The singer in my last band got one and her kids had fun playing with it making robot voices and stuff, but as a tool for singing, she found it pretty useless. I would have to agree with her. Lots of cool noises. None of them useful.

                        The sound man will add reverb and maybe delay when appropriate. If she's a singer, how about a good mic, or maybe even look for a good deal on a wireless mic?

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                        • #13
                          I'm talking about places that don't even have a PA. Anywhere that does, we would still want her to control her own effects so she does not have to worry about whether the mix engineer will tweak the effects to her tastes.


                          Generally it is not a good idea for the performer on stage to
                          "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - Hunter S. Thompson

                          Band promo shots on railroad tracks were cool in 1981...

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                          • #14
                            Good to know. What about XLR output from a unit like this? I may get her the amp for now and the effects pedal later on


                            That doesn
                            "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - Hunter S. Thompson

                            Band promo shots on railroad tracks were cool in 1981...

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                            • #15


                              http://www.pssl.com/American-Audio-XSP-10A-10-In-Powered-Speaker-

                              $199 at PSSL. No effects though. I can't vouch for American Audio personally but thought I'd throw this possibility out there. Maybe a powered speaker is the way to go...I know they work great for accoustic guitars.



                              http://www.pssl.com/Roland-CM30-Cube-Monitor-30-Watt

                              This Roland is the same price and I've heard nice things about it. Maybe it's also something to consider.

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