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    Since the PA topic seems to be very popular here, I would like your opinion...
    We don't play live yet, but we are rehearsing for duo acts, mostly classic rock/grunge/blues and we may soon start at some small venues. I don't expect anything larger than 200 people, indoors, for at least a couple of years.
    We also need a mixer with at least 6 channels, I think (two microphones for vocals, guitar, bass, electric piano, backing track).
    I am thinking about getting a portable PA, but I'm still in doubt of what would be better... portable PA with mixer, like Fender passport or JBL 210, or amplified mixer with passive speakers, or regular mixer with powered speakers. What do you guys use/think? Model recommendations are welcome.
    Thanks

  • #2
    Budget?

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    • #3
      Budget?


      Very good question

      Under a thousand dollars.

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      • #4
        I would ask this in live sound and production. And second question is do you need bass or subs? Any drums tracks on your tunes?

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        • #5
          I would ask this in live sound and production. And second question is do you need bass or subs? Any drums tracks on your tunes?


          Oh yeah, we have drum tracks... we wish we had a drummer! Yeah, I am reading a thread there exactly about powered subwoofers... expensive beasts, they are.

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          • #6
            1000.00 bucks is tough. I have a B52 matrix 1000 v2, it's a 15 inch sub with two 10", the amp is built into the sub. You can them new for about 900.00, that's without your mixer or mics or direct input gizmo's. For 1000.00 bucks including a mixer, hard to get anything decent for what you require.

            I was going to suggest the http://www.avguy.com/yorkville-eliteexcursion1000.htm
            Yorkville 15" sub with two 8" speaks would blow away the B52 I'm thnking and running @ about $1500.00
            Yorkville has an 18" version of the same system but I think they run about $2500.00

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            • #7
              we run a 4 piece through two eons , with bass, and lead guitars through back line amps, and run the drum loops through a old fender rumble amp behind the backline. Works great and its cheap. For shows where we use a drummer ,, its just the powered PA speakers no subs.
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              • #8
                So apparently 1000 bucks is not enough for 200 people... I came up with that figure because someone had suggested me the Bose portable PA (L1 Compact) that if I am not mistaken, was for audiences of up to 200 people and costs 999. Of course, that does not includes the mixer. The EON 210p is also 999, but I think 300W is not enough... I was also thinking about Fender Passport 500, but again, 500W may not be enough. Last thing I researched was a Behringer powered mixer with passive loudspeakers, but I definitely have not enough experience to know what is worth for the scenario I described.

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                • #9
                  look for used gear....forget the Passports...inefficient loudspeakers and suspiciously over-spec'ed amp...
                  we did this exercise a while back, and I think we figured out that you could find used decent powered speakers and a passive mixer in that range, but stands/sticks, mics, cables, will push you past the grand line.
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                  • #10
                    If you were in the US (but you are not), the best deal I know of currently is the M-Audio GSR-12 powered two-way speaker (300 W) for $180 US plus shipping. That would leave you with money for a passive mixer, speaker stands, and some XLR cables.

                    I personally have gone the powered speaker/passive mixer route. I think that I have a more scalable system that way. I can use a bigger or smaller mixer (depending on the number of input channels I need), and can add speakers without adding or matching amplifiers. I also can get better DSP built in to a powered speaker than I'm likely to be able to figure out on my own. YMMV. Mark C.
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                    • #11
                      Don't forget about reverb. Not every mixer has reverb.
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                      • #12
                        Meu amigo Paulista,

                        A que marcas e modelos voce tem acesso ai em Sampa? Mais facil te ajudar sabendo as opcoes que voce tem disponivel.

                        My friend,

                        What brands and models do you have acess to in Brasil? It would be easier to help you knowing what options you have.

                        Rod
                        www.tablefor2.net

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                        • #13
                          A lot of singleduo's prefer the bose system and it makes sense for what they do, I'd try out one before purchasing though.

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                          • #14
                            If you were in the US (but you are not), the best deal I know of currently is the M-Audio GSR-12 powered two-way speaker (300 W) for $180 US plus shipping. That would leave you with money for a passive mixer, speaker stands, and some XLR cables.

                            I personally have gone the powered speaker/passive mixer route. I think that I have a more scalable system that way. I can use a bigger or smaller mixer (depending on the number of input channels I need), and can add speakers without adding or matching amplifiers. I also can get better DSP built in to a powered speaker than I'm likely to be able to figure out on my own. YMMV. Mark C.


                            I may go to the States next year to buy it. Things are extremely overpriced here. Just to give you an idea, when the jbl eon 210p was being sold for 500 at Amazon (unfortunaley it went up to almost 800), it was costing about 2250 at local stores in Brazil. I can pay my air ticket, hotel, rental car, have a vacation and buy the equipment for the that price!

                            I like your reasoning... so, with a couple of these I can get 600W, right? Looks like a good deal! Where did you see that price? They are $400 at Amazon!

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                            • #15
                              look for used gear....forget the Passports...inefficient loudspeakers and suspiciously over-spec'ed amp...
                              we did this exercise a while back, and I think we figured out that you could find used decent powered speakers and a passive mixer in that range, but stands/sticks, mics, cables, will push you past the grand line.


                              That's good to know, I'll keep that in mind! I was not considering, stands, mics and cables... just the PA system, maybe a mixer.

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