Members LordBTY Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Sorry about the terrible vocal editing, this will be rerecorded with a solid vocal take (I was rather under the weather when I recorded.) If you guys could poke holes, that'd be swell. ***WARNING: SWEAR WORD***https://soundcloud.com/thomas-mason-1/safetynetroughdemo2 Lyrics:(no nono)My safety net is there, but the landing point may change'cause it's gone wrong once before, lord. So why would I ever fall for you again?look I love you, you're my safety net. But you've done me wrong. Honey, why would I take the plunge when you may be, oh you may be (gone)-Verse 1-and although my head head keeps speakingSay no and stop stop these feelings.I miss you sometimes, you're plaquing my mind.Somehow you stop me leaving -Bridge-Gone. Gotta go down, I gotta jump, but then I gotta land, al--though, I don't know what I want, I still wanna hold your hand. OhGood god I'm thrown now, I didn't jump, this isn't what I planned, but no, you don't know, you don't understand (and although/ I know - and you're) (chorus)(bridge)-Verse 2-and I know my heart's heart's decievingSay no and stop stop these feelings.I've made up my mind, but time after timeSomehow you stop me leaving-Middle- so I've come to help us all forget all the things we did wrong.now I look down and I am stunned, my safety net, no nono-Last Chorus-My safety net's not there. And I really thought you'd change.but it's gone wrong loads before, lord. Goodbye, now I'll never bother you again.Look right, **bleep** you, 'cause I won't forget that you did me wrong. 'cause I died when I took the plunge, my safe-ty net, oh my net was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhino55 Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 I think it is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 "slut" is a pretty loaded term. Need to hear it in context to know if that is going to throw things off-balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordBTY Posted May 14, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Originally Posted by rsadasiv "slut" is a pretty loaded term. Need to hear it in context to know if that is going to throw things off-balance. I'm kinda getting what you're saying but I think you might have to elaborate. I could alter it and also make it more symmetrical/repetitive by making it:And though you're so deceiving - yes, weakness comes from feeling -I've made up my mind;Yes, time after timeI see no sense in leaving.It does change the meaning of the verse somewhat but it works. I do worry that it makes it a tad less passionate without the emotional dynamics put forward in Verse 2.Edit: I'm also pretty concerned about the outright 'gayness' of it. The idea was to write something 'poppy' that most people enjoy whilst spraying it with hefty amounts of 'credibility'. I worry that the subject matter might be overly... 'gay'... and alienate the people who would appreciate the musical novelty. Originally Posted by rhino55 I think it is great. Thank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 All things being equal, the line with "slut" in it is going to draw a lot of attention. I'm not against using the term, just you have to be careful that where you have put it deserves the attention that it will attract. But in a full performance not all things are equal - if the lyric is buried in the arrangement or not emphasized in the vocal phrasing it may be less of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted May 14, 2012 Moderators Share Posted May 14, 2012 Slut doesn't relate to what we know of this situation up to that point except from the one time you say it. So... for me, it doesn't describe this person who keeps moving when they're supposed to be there to catch you. So using slut makes me goes... what did I miss? But not in a good way. You changed the rules mid-story. Sort of like finding out "it was all a dream" at the end of the movie. You need to call this person something that fits the context. You're a liar, you're so deceiving Yes, weakness comes from feeling A moving target is so deceiving Yes, weakness comes from feeling And when you say...I'm also pretty concerned about the outright 'gayness' of it. The idea was to write something 'poppy' that most people enjoy whilst spraying it with hefty amounts of 'credibility'. I worry that the subject matter might be overly... 'gay'... and alienate the people who would appreciate the musical novelty. Are you using the term gay as in twee or meaning homosexual. I'm not getting a gay vibe at all. You mean twee? Not twee either. I think this is cool. Slut just sticks out funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Oswlek Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Slut didn't work for me, but in all fairness, I'm not sure I could ever come up with a reason to use that in song. It's just like "{censored}". I'm all for swearing in every day speech, but when I hear it sung it always gives me an unpleasant, cheap feeling. As if they were too lazy to really find the right way to say it. Not saying you were/are being lazy. Just passing along the impression those types of words give me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordBTY Posted May 14, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Well, when I say 'gay' I'm thinking in the way a teenage lad would perceive it. Twee isn't quite what I mean. Melodically and lyrically speaking, it would probably only appeal to girls and maybe sensitive blokes. I mean 'gay' in the same way that Justin Bieber's music is 'gay' - which is really 'gay'. - The song was partially inspired by a girl I was with at the time who I was having difficulty trusting as we'd had difficulties after she'd moved to another country and become a stripper. When she came back and we got back together, I was reluctant to really 'hand myself over'. It's not specifically about that but it's where the subject matter came from in my heart. I actually wrote this a couple of months ago - before her and I broke up. - In my eyes, the fact that people swear or use vulgar language in every day conversation is reason to put it in a song. When I'm angry, I swear; when I write an angry song, I'll swear. The market appeal/memorability of it is what I consider when putting it in. It could be regarded as a bit cheap, but I think it's even cheaper to use a melisma on woah/yeah/oh or a phrase on yeah/da/doo/la. Actually, the inane repetition of what tends to make 'good' songs 'good' is pretty cheap. I don't think a successful songwriter should be worrying about integrity in such a way. But yeah, if no one thinks 'slut' is working I'll probably change it. When I read it, I get it, but I know exactly what I'm on about. If it doesn't make sense to others, I'll have to alter it. I'll have to think about what I'm going to change it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted May 14, 2012 Moderators Share Posted May 14, 2012 Originally Posted by LordBTY Well, when I say 'gay' I'm thinking in the way a teenage lad would perceive it. Twee isn't quite what I mean. Melodically and lyrically speaking, it would probably only appeal to girls and maybe sensitive blokes. I mean 'gay' in the same way that Justin Bieber's music is 'gay' - which is really 'gay'.-The song was partially inspired by a girl I was with at the time who I was having difficulty trusting as we'd had difficulties after she'd moved to another country and become a stripper. When she came back and we got back together, I was reluctant to really 'hand myself over'. It's not specifically about that but it's where the subject matter came from in my heart. I actually wrote this a couple of months ago - before her and I broke up. -In my eyes, the fact that people swear or use vulgar language in every day conversation is reason to put it in a song. When I'm angry, I swear; when I write an angry song, I'll swear. The market appeal/memorability of it is what I consider when putting it in. It could be regarded as a bit cheap, but I think it's even cheaper to use a melisma on woah/yeah/oh or a phrase on yeah/da/doo/la. Actually, the inane repetition of what tends to make 'good' songs 'good' is pretty cheap. I don't think a successful songwriter should be worrying about integrity in such a way.But yeah, if no one thinks 'slut' is working I'll probably change it. When I read it, I get it, but I know exactly what I'm on about. If it doesn't make sense to others, I'll have to alter it. I'll have to think about what I'm going to change it to. Ah! Got the gay reference. So the girl you're talking about is a slut. Go for it, use the word. I'm certainly not suggesting you shouldn't. Sounds like a descriptive term for her if you choose. I am suggesting, though, you shouldn't use the word popcorn. Because you haven't talked about snacks at all in this song. Wait, actually you haven't talked about sluts either. It comes out of left field with absolutely no setup or explanation. Your backstory above explains it great and I could get behind a song that used the word slut in that context. But currently, that isn't the context of your song. It may be in the one you're hearing in your head, but not the one you've written here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordBTY Posted May 14, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 Originally Posted by Lee Knight Ah! Got the gay reference. So the girl you're talking about is a slut. Go for it, use the word. I'm certainly not suggesting you shouldn't. Sounds like a descriptive term for her if you choose. I am suggesting, though, you shouldn't use the word popcorn. Because you haven't talked about snacks at all in this song. Wait, actually you haven't talked about sluts either. It comes out of left field with absolutely no setup or explanation. Your backstory above explains it great and I could get behind a song that used the word slut in that context. But currently, that isn't the context of your song. It may be in the one you're hearing in your head, but not the one you've written here. Yeah, this is why I like to post lyrics first. I will definitely change it as it's not making sense to anyone.Edit:My friend has already described it as 'gay' and I felt it was a tad 'gay' - mostly due to how I recorded some of it at first. It was probably mostly down to the vocal delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted May 14, 2012 Moderators Share Posted May 14, 2012 BTW... we differentiate that as ghey. My gay friends don't like ghey music but they love gay music. So... they might dig Scissor Sisters or Mika but not the Beeb. So to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted May 14, 2012 Members Share Posted May 14, 2012 We used to like to go out dancing But then you left me to go back to the pole And when you started moonlighting at that job ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members espec10001 Posted May 15, 2012 Members Share Posted May 15, 2012 I'll just echo what others have said. The structure and lyrics are good and fit with the theme, but 'slut' does seem to interrupt the flow. I was thinking something like: You swore; you're so deceiving. Yes, weakness comes from feeling. I've made up my mind but time after time I see no sense in leaving. Just a thought. It's your song so do with it what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted May 15, 2012 Moderators Share Posted May 15, 2012 that's good ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordBTY Posted May 16, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 16, 2012 I totally agree with you guys - I'll alter it when I feel a surge of inspiration. Thanks, everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordBTY Posted June 8, 2012 Author Members Share Posted June 8, 2012 Alright - finally updated the lyrics for this. Anyone see anything icky in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordBTY Posted January 2, 2013 Author Members Share Posted January 2, 2013 I'm banging on about this song again, guys. The unifying concept is there and there's still a bit more to go. Can you guys gives me your impressions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted January 3, 2013 Moderators Share Posted January 3, 2013 Originally Posted by LordBTY I'm banging on about this song again, guys. The unifying concept is there and there's still a bit more to go. Can you guys gives me your impressions? Where are we looking and listening now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordBTY Posted January 21, 2013 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2013 A rough recording is up now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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