Bad Ass New Sabain Goodies!!

http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2007/Sabian-Chopper.html

I want me a Chopper and a couple Alu-Bells... now I just gotta find room for them....

Is the Chopper the things reffered to as "Propellers" on Portnoy's kit in the recent issue of Modern Drummer? Im a Zildjian guy so I have no clue about the new things Sabian (aka Zildjian II) comes out with.

Dunno, possibly

http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2007/Sabian-Chopper.html I want me a Chopper and a couple Alu-Bells... now I just gotta find room for them....

No offense to those who use Sabian.

I was a former Sabian user and loved them, then tried Paiste and can't go back (I tried recently, no dice) - they should improve their products more than be "innovative".

Paiste's smoke Sabian in terms of sound, unless you like hitting cymbals that sound and feel like carboard covered cymbals.

That is my opinion, based on my experiences. Some may vary, but my opinion will remain the same until I experience otherwise.

Wow that is pretty harsh. I like Sabians .

Yeah, I shopped around looking at all different companies when I bought cymbals (I was planning on rubbing off the logos so I didn't have to commit to one company) So I was buying each cymbal blindly and I ended up choosing all Sabians and one Zildjian. Paiste just didn't do it for me, don't know why.

http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2007/Sabian-Chopper.html I want me a Chopper and a couple Alu-Bells... now I just gotta find room for them....

Mike, I wonder why the Alu-Bels are Patina. I'm sure it's intentional, but it's just kinda strange. I'd also like to here them next to a Zil-Bel. IMO bells are pretty damn cool. I'm not really one way or another on the brand thing, although I lean toward Z's. But if I like the cymbals' tone, ring, sustain I'll buy it.

Another winter project for me is making playing around with some cracked cymbals I have to make a white noise what ever you want to call it. I'm in a "holding pattern" on the "Octobans" because I've found the pipe I want goes by I.D. measurements. But I'm gonna check in with a supplier on the south side of Cols end of the week or the first of next week. Sh*t, sorry got way the hell OT.

Which Paiste? 2002's were good enough for Bohnam, Signatures are good enough for Van Halen (and many others)

I can understand if you want that trashy, clangy kind of sound....

I've used more than a few different cymbals, and my Sabians are anything but trashy and clangy. The Vault crashes are some of the most pure sounding crashes I've ever heard; toneful, bright, cutting, and warm.

I've used more than a few different cymbals, and my Sabians are anything but trashy and clangy. The Vault crashes are some of the most pure sounding crashes I've ever heard; toneful, bright, cutting, and warm.

I'm speaking for AA's. Those used to be my favorite, but between the tonal variations between cymbals, and the tone themselves when compared to the Paiste's, I have to say they suck.

I'm sure the Vault line is good - but at what cost?

I'd love to try Meinl...

You must be a hard rock guy of some sort.

Paiste's high-line cymbals are indeed dazzling! But they are uniformly brighter than Sabian & Zildjian; if you need to "cut through" a grinding mix, I can see where they'd be a useful choice. For more subtle music, however, that persistent brightness is not always desirable. You rarely if ever hear jazz drummers using them.

I use one Paiste, an 18" 2002 ride that's more than 20 years old. Best ride I've ever heard, and MANY drummers have concurred to the point that they've offered to buy it from me. But NONE of my crashes are Paiste! The ones that compete price-wise with (for example) Sabian AA types sound TOO BRIGHT, and to get Paiste crashes that allow subtlety you have to spend 40% more. I have two Zildjian crashes, an Atlas, and three Sabians.

All the main cymbal companys (and even some fringe companies) make great sounding cymbals. To say one sucks compared to the other one is ridiculous. It's all about personal preference. Sound is so subjective. One man garabage can lid is another man's prized cymbal.

BTW, I used to play Paiste. Loved them. As time went on, I wanted something different, so I switched to Zildjian. But not because Paiste sucked, dig?

Yes, hard rock be it. Jazz, K's are where it's at. Understandable that some are better suited for certain music - but the Sabian AA line is supposed to be general purpose - it should work well in a rock setting - and it didn't - they were seriously dead sounding in comparison.

"To say one sucks compared to the other one is rediculous" - how so? It's my opinion - how would my opinion be rediculous when it's based on actual experience?

It's really subjective isn't it.

Paiste 2002 crashes are higher-pitch, brighter, and sustain like crazy. Even in heavy rock that does not work for me; I like a cymbal that crashes and fades quickly. The Sabian 16" Vault crash and 16" AA Dark crash I have do that job very well. I can't imagine having a bunch of Paistes ringing and sustaining all around me all night long.

I wonder if those cymbals have any bearing on your neighbor's complaints about the noise?

paiste signatures and 2002s smoke everything out there, that's why they're the most expensive.

find a signature full crash (hopefully in a bigger size) and hit it. it sounds like a beautiful shimmering chord.

and as far as those choppers and little bells and {censored}, i hate those things, you're spending more on the stand than the actual "cymbal" for something you might as well make yourself out of a trash can lid.

just buy a mini wuhan and wait for it to break (will take about a week) and you'll get the same sound.

It's really subjective isn't it. Paiste 2002 crashes are higher-pitch, brighter, and sustain like crazy. Even in heavy rock that does not work for me ; I like a cymbal that crashes and fades quickly. The Sabian 16" Vault crash and 16" AA Dark crash I have do that job very well. I can't imagine having a bunch of Paistes ringing and sustaining all around me all night long. I wonder if those cymbals have any bearing on your neighbor's complaints about the noise?

Nah, those cymbals don't cut through the walls that well

My bass drum is what carries.

I'm also a cymbal happy player - lol. I do reel it in when it's inappropriate, but I also let it fly too when I can

2002's are a bit more expensive, but not by a whole lot. Yeah, the Signatures are my next "target" which will be for my Mapex Saturn kit

Signatures are incredible. I played a 17" full crash along with some 2002's when I was "converted" - it was instant love. They are like heroin for drummers.

The Signature 16" was like $229 when I looked last month, as opposed to $159 for the Sabian AA dark crash I got.

PERHAPS if I played nothing but heavy rock I'd consider the Paistes. But I need something far more versatile.

2002's are a bit more expensive, but not by a whole lot. Yeah, the Signatures are my next "target" which will be for my Mapex Saturn kit Signatures are incredible. I played a 17" full crash along with some 2002's when I was "converted" - it was instant love. They are like heroin for drummers.

The signatures would be more on par with the Vault line, at least regarding the pricing structure.

geezle, if anything i'd consider paistes to be WAAYYY more versatile than sabian anything. a signature could easily be used for anything to orchestral music to jazz to rock to metal

2002's might orient themselves a bit more for rock genres, but that's only because they're fairly explosive.

Signatures, I agree, are much more dynamic.

It's all a matter of preference. I could post a list of Sabian endorsers as well, and Zildjian, and Meinl, and Bosphorouos, but that doesn't "prove" anything...just that different people have their preferences. Not that I don't believe that you don't like Sabian cymbals...and I've heard some of their cymbals (as well as some from Paiste, and...) that do indeed sound trashy and clangy, but they're certainly not all like that.

Actually, the main reason they're so expensive is because of where they're made.

True, but the thing Paiste has going for them over Zildjian and Sabian, in particular, as that tye are consistent as hell.

Pick up two 16" crashes, and they will sound nearly identical - heck, line up 10 and they'll be very close.

Do the same with Sabian or Zildjian and that doesn't happen, except with their sheet bronze series, which, yes Paiste is also sheet bronze...still, it's amazing how much better Paiste's sound than Sabian or Zildjian - even though, according to Zildjian or Sabian, they are using an inferiour process and materials.

So, they suck because you don't like them anymore? Again, it's all very subjective.

On top of that, you are trying to justify how great Paiste's are by saying "the 2002's were good enough for Bohnam and Signatures for Alex VanHalen" How bout this...who gives a {censored} what they used. They are not good for ME.

"For jazz, K's are where its at" is another thing you said. Buddy Rich used A's. Matt Cameron used K's on the early Soundgarden records. Point of this whole rant is, pick cymbal based on what YOU like or need. Pick cymbals based on the expression you want to convey for a particular genre. Not everybody plays like you or plays the same music as you or has the same musical goals as you. If we don't like Paiste then we don't like Paiste. I would never say they suck just because my dumb ass thinks so.