you-tube CRAP !

As many of you know by now I played/play guitar for 18-19 yrs,and granted ,getting the hands to do what they need to do takes quite a while.for live changing reasons I am hooked on drums,[i practice every day]

I took your guys advice and have been learning my rudiments,I've got the moves down and with patience the speed will come. I have been checking out you-tube and most of the guys on there are not on the same page.

Heres what I mean,I am trying to get stick control using match grip,some guys say you have to get your pinky,ring ,and middle finger to kind of bounce the stick in order to get the rolls down,some say you dont because those fingers will naturally do what you need them to do, some say tight grip,some say loose,some say elbows out,some say close to your side,etc,etc...

so contradictory !I trust all of you guys to lead me down the right path,because this is what you do,does anybody know of a link on you-tube that is legit so I can get a visual. what is the truth ? what is the best path to get stick contol down,being right handed,the left hand feels akward and when holding the stick loose it seems to want to fall out. I really hate to bug you guys with all the elementary questions but I am at that stage of the game.

There is no one way. There is physics though. Old jazz styles and drum line stuff require the traditional 2/3 fulcrum approach. The fancy diddle stuff actually only works in very narrow dynamic and /or tempo zones and even then it takes the polished expert (Colaiuta, Weckl for instance) to get things under professional musical control. Countless alsorans usually display stiff dynamics and skittish time and feel.

Rock works best with a firm long grip. The leverage is in the zone and the stick control is well more musical. This is because you play every note rather than wait around for a rebound.

Not law but about as plain as I can put it.

And now Jeff Graw.....

Oh YouTube crap. Look up Steve Gadd for some of the finest in traditional stickwork. And Billy Cobham, maybe Terry Bozzio for how to properly whack out a rhythm.

If possible, get Jojo Mayer's new dvd. He goes over this stuff in incredible detail.

If you take lessons your instructor can fix you up in about 5 mins:thu:

+1 for Jojo mayer's dvd. From what I've heard, it is pratically the be-all end-all

You know this is so true. I've been taking lessons recently because I'm auditioning for the Seattle Seahawks Blue Thunder Drumline next Sunday at high noon. Last week I was having trouble with my swiss army triplets falling apart and sounding like a weird roll. I asked my teacher about it and he said "ah, your not lifting your left stick enough. You're playing it too low and close to the drum. Lift the left stick more like this (as he demonstrates it)". I did it the way he said, and in about 30 seconds it was fixed. I can now play it faster and cleaner than before. I could have watched 47 youtube videos and several DVDs and never gotten this.

To me that's the beauty of lessons with a good teacher. They can watch you and correct things you didn't know you were doing wrong that make a big difference in your playing.

There is no one way. There is physics though. Old jazz styles and drum line stuff require the traditional 2/3 fulcrum approach. The fancy diddle stuff actually only works in very narrow dynamic and /or tempo zones and even then it takes the polished expert (Colaiuta, Weckl for instance) to get things under professional musical control. Countless alsorans usually display stiff dynamics and skittish time and feel. Rock works best with a firm long grip. The leverage is in the zone and the stick control is well more musical. This is because you play every note rather than wait around for a rebound. Not law but about as plain as I can put it. And now Jeff Graw.....

Thanks for the intro, gear.

As is usual, I disagree with what 1001gear just told you. I'm in the same camp as guys like Tiger Bill, Tim Waterson, and Dom Famularo when it comes to using tension -- don't! Tension locks your muscles in place and is therefore detrimental to speed, control, and endurance. The only good thing about a tight grip is that it stops the sticks from flying out of your hands, but if you practice enough with a loose grip you won't be loosing any sticks anyway. Gear's criticism about "waiting around for the rebound" doesen't make a lick of sense. What goes down must come up, and that's true whether it's done by lifting the stick yourself or by using rebound to do it for you. What's more, if you apply enough downward force the stick is able to almost instantaneously snap back to it's starting position (or even higher than the starting position) using just the rebound. 1001gear will most likely mention that it's possible to become to reliant on rebound, but that's where "push-pull" techniques that can work on almost any surface come in.

As for why it comes natural to some drummers (even the good ones) to choke the rebound, I think we have closed handed playing to thank for that. If you accept all of the rebound on your left hand in a closed handed position your sticks are most likely going to collide, but if you choke the rebound the stick stays on the snare, without any chance of colliding with the right stick.

For the record, I do agree that diddle based fills are prone to falling into different comfort zones of tempo and dynamics. The range of tempos you can play a rudiment on a practice pad at and the range with which you can groove with it will sometimes seem completely removed from each other . It takes hard work and dedication to extend that comfort zone, but it's well worth it.

Thanks again for all the input,is the title for jojo mayers dvd

"secret weapons for the modern day drummer" ?

those instructional dvd's are a bit pricey,so I want to make sure it's the right one.

It says it was published in 2007.

I have been looking on amazon,unless 1 of you guys want to turn loose of it.

There is no one way. There is physics though. Old jazz styles and drum line stuff require the traditional 2/3 fulcrum approach. The fancy diddle stuff actually only works in very narrow dynamic and /or tempo zones and even then it takes the polished expert (Colaiuta, Weckl for instance) to get things under professional musical control. Countless alsorans usually display stiff dynamics and skittish time and feel. Rock works best with a firm long grip. The leverage is in the zone and the stick control is well more musical. This is because you play every note rather than wait around for a rebound. Not law but about as plain as I can put it. And now Jeff Graw..... Oh YouTube crap. Look up Steve Gadd for some of the finest in traditional stickwork. And Billy Cobham, maybe Terry Bozzio for how to properly whack out a rhythm.

I agree with a lot of what he has to say here. Nothing to add just wanted to agree...