Members Syyle Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIJAfbiRX7s The main effect I am curious about is the saturated-distortion/overdrive over the vocals through the start of the song and then occurring any times throughout. I've been to a few live Tool shows and he definitely utilizes this effect on stage, so it's not just a studio trick. Is he using a gain-cranked preamp in his signal before it hits the front of house? Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 I dunno the exact FX, but there are Presets on Izotope Nectar that sound like that. It's basically a telephone/Megaphone FX + delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Syyle Posted January 13, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 I dunno the exact FX, but there are Presets on Izotope Nectar that sound like that.It's basically a telephone/Megaphone FX + delay. I know it's not that simpe. I own a TC Helicon Voicelive which has a telephone effect + delay + multiple voice harmony and I cannot achieve that effect. The actual sound of the signal sounds like it breaks up in a "tube-saturated" way when the volume input is increased, much like the way a guitar tube amp starts to break up and distort (in a good way) when it gets cranked. I appreciate the reply; it could possibly be a megaphone effect I s'pose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 well you can't reproduce that live exactly like that. besides it sounds like there are 2 vocal parts anyway, each with its own delay. you can emulate it closely with a FX chain of plugins incl massive compression, EQ, gain, delay. it would take tweaking if you can't find a preset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Syyle Posted January 13, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 Are you talking about recording (plugins, etc)? I need to be able to do this live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 in that case, fiddle with the voicelive and fatten it up using a loop triggered by the drummer/keyboardist. i'm pretty sure that's how tool used to do that live - the keyboardist triggered a loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Syyle Posted January 13, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 hmm, that's an interesting thought...i have a guitar loop pedal that i could just load up with some pre-recorded stuff... But still, there is definitely some pre-amp tube distortion going on here, and I would love to know how that is done with microphones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 Sounds to me like they're overdriving the mic preamp in the studio. Basically, they are probably using a high dollar tube mic pre and overloading it. Live, I've gotten a similar effect with an Ibanez tube screamer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Syyle Posted January 13, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 I own an Ibanez ts7 tubescreamer as well...perhaps that may work. Question, would you put it before my TC Helicon VL or after? Should compression play any part here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 I own an Ibanez ts7 tubescreamer as well...perhaps that may work. Question, would you put it before my TC Helicon VL or after? Should compression play any part here? I'd put it in after the TC Helicon. That way you way at least you have a clean signal going in, and the processed signal going to the tubescreamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted January 14, 2011 Members Share Posted January 14, 2011 don't voicelives have internal overdrive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted January 14, 2011 Members Share Posted January 14, 2011 don't voicelives have internal overdrive? Idk...probably. You may be able to get the effect of an overdriven tube with the better with the Ibanez though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted January 14, 2011 Members Share Posted January 14, 2011 Idk...probably. You may be able to get the effect of an overdriven tube with the better with the Ibanez though. how do you match the impedances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted January 14, 2011 Members Share Posted January 14, 2011 how do you match the impedances? Idk...wouldn't it be the same as having a bunch of effects pedals daisy chained together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted January 14, 2011 Members Share Posted January 14, 2011 well mics are usually low Z and guitars are high Z, so i dont know that the loads would match for the two pedals. you can match em, but i don't know how Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted January 14, 2011 Members Share Posted January 14, 2011 well mics are usually low Z and guitars are high Z, so i dont know that the loads would match for the two pedals. you can match em, but i don't know how Actually I think the VL has high and low Z ins and outs...so maybe the low impedance XLR in, and run the 1/4 inch line level signal out to the other pedal? Idk...when it gets into {censored} like this it confuses me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MikeyParent Posted January 14, 2011 Members Share Posted January 14, 2011 Adding my 2 cents, which is mostly echoing a lot of what has been said :-) If I were duplicating this on a vocal pedal, I would start with compression, then overdrive or flange (which is more readily available on vox pedals than overdrive), add delay then run through it through a transducer effect (i.e. megaphone)... It is a cool sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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