Members SA Rios Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 I know its bad to under power your speakers, but how much under is safe. I have an Ashdown ABM500 rated at about 575 watts at 4 ohms. I just sold my 410 and am getting an Eden 210XLT, 8 ohm cab which is rated at 350 watts. If I really crank up the amp, will underpowering by 50 watts really be that bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Geddy'sFavHeadache Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 not neccisarily, though wouldn't recomend it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassplayer7770 Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 So, the head is rated at 300 watts at 8 ohms? If so, it's not really a problem until you've turned your head up so loud it's sending "square signals" through your cab. That is what could damage your speakers. If you don't turn up that loud, you shouldn't have any problems. Or at least that's my understanding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SA Rios Posted June 22, 2005 Author Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by bassplayer7770 So, the head is rated at 300 watts at 8 ohms? If so, it's not really a problem until you've turned your head up so loud it's sending "square signals" through your cab. That is what could damage your speakers. If you don't turn up that loud, you shouldn't have any problems.Or at least that's my understanding... Yea, around 300 at 8 ohms. cab is rated at 350 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS UNDERPOWERING SPEAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CAN ONLY BE UNDERPOWERED IF YOU'RE CURRENT RIG ISN'T LOUD ENOUGH, AND YOU'RE PUSHING YOUR AMP INTO CLIPPING, WHICH WILL DAMAGE THE SPEAKERS!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SA Rios Posted June 22, 2005 Author Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by The Ox THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS UNDERPOWERING SPEAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CAN ONLY BE UNDERPOWERED IF YOU'RE CURRENT RIG ISN'T LOUD ENOUGH, AND YOU'RE PUSHING YOUR AMP INTO CLIPPING, WHICH WILL DAMAGE THE SPEAKERS!!!!!! no such thing? You sure can under power a cab, I don't know who told you otherwise but they be mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members miles to go Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by bassplayer7770 So, the head is rated at 300 watts at 8 ohms? If so, it's not really a problem until you've turned your head up so loud it's sending "square signals" through your cab. That is what could damage your speakers. If you don't turn up that loud, you shouldn't have any problems.Or at least that's my understanding... bp7770's got it right. You don't need to worry about underpowering a speaker, you need to worry about underpowering a situation. If you drive your amp into clipping, you can damage the speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Geddy'sFavHeadache Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by SA Rios no such thing? You sure can under power a cab, I don't know who told you otherwise but they be mistaken. listen, you're not going to get the best sound with under powered amps, take my word for it, i'm trying to HELP YOU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by SA Rios no such thing? You sure can under power a cab, I don't know who told you otherwise but they be mistaken. I'm sorry, but you can only be underpowered for your situation. You can run a 300 watt head into a 1400 watt cab no problem, as long as you aren't clipping the power amp. If you run the amp clean, you will never blow the speakers. EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SA Rios Posted June 22, 2005 Author Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by miles to go bp7770's got it right. You don't need to worry about underpowering a speaker, you need to worry about underpowering a situation. If you drive your amp into clipping, you can damage the speakers. Cool, so no prob. I doubt I'll be cranking the amp past 6 or 7 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 *sighs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by SA Rios no such thing? You sure can under power a cab, I don't know who told you otherwise but they be mistaken. This sounds like an issue of semantics. As I've heard it explained here before, pushing 200w to a 300w cab will not hurt the cab UNLESS the 200w is the max of the amp and it is clipping. I run my GBE-600 (425w) into my Avatar 210 (600w) and have never hurt the cab. I'm sure if I cranked the amp to the max and sent some nastiness to the cab that the speakers may not respond favorably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Geddy'sFavHeadache Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by Geddy'sFavHeadache listen, you're not going to get the best sound with under powered amps, take my word for it, i'm trying to HELP YOU! Ox is right! DOH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SA Rios Posted June 22, 2005 Author Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by Thunderbroom This sounds like an issue of semantics.As I've heard it explained here before, pushing 200w to a 300w cab will not hurt the cab UNLESS the 200w is the max of the amp and it is clipping. I run my GBE-600 (425w) into my Avatar 210 (600w) and have never hurt the cab. I'm sure if I cranked the amp to the max and sent some nastiness to the cab that the speakers may not respond favorably. and thats a 175 watt difference in wattage. I'm only talking about a 50 watt difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by SA Rios and thats a 175 watt difference in wattage. I'm only talking about a 50 watt difference. I'm trying to figure out your point here? Which would be "worse" by your estimation? I figure that if I max my amp and you max your amp, we're likely to get similar results with our speakers. Of course I could be wrong because I admittedly don't know a lot about this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SA Rios Posted June 22, 2005 Author Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by Thunderbroom I'm trying to figure out your point here? Which would be "worse" by your estimation? I figure that if I max my amp and you max your amp, we're likely to get similar results with our speakers. Of course I could be wrong because I admittedly don't know a lot about this stuff. Well thats what I'm trying to figue out here too. is it worse to be under by 50 watts or 100 or 200, etc. or does it matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by SA Rios Well thats what I'm trying to figue out here too. is it worse to be under by 50 watts or 100 or 200, etc. or does it matter. It doesn't matter. Just don't clip the goddamned amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Geddy'sFavHeadache Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by SA Rios Well thats what I'm trying to figue out here too. is it worse to be under by 50 watts or 100 or 200, etc. or does it matter. dude, jus as long as your amp is more powerful than your cab, it will be ok. been playing most my life, i know what i'm talkin about. so jus be careful not to blow them, that would be the only problem. but if your amp has less wattage than your cab, you ain't going to get the best sound out of your cab hope this helps:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members greenshag Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by The Ox It doesn't matter. Just don't clip the goddamned amp. I have to agree with the Ox on this one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by Geddy'sFavHeadache Ox is right! DOH! Originally posted by greenshag I have to agree with the Ox on this one.... SIG!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Geddy'sFavHeadache Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by The Ox SIG!!! what's SIG mean:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Geddy'sFavHeadache Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 btw at work and i can't see the faces:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by Geddy'sFavHeadache what's SIG mean:confused: It means I quoted you in my sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Geddy'sFavHeadache Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by The Ox It means I quoted you in my sig. i feel privilaged:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by Geddy'sFavHeadache but if your amp has less wattage than your cab, you ain't going to get the best sound out of your cab You mean my cab can sound even better?!? I just checked the Avatar site. My B210 is rated at 700w. My head puts out 425w. I never turn my amp past about 10 o'clock (not to be confused with "10"). It's loud as hell and sounds great. So, are you suggesting that I need to get a head that puts out more than 700w to make my cab sound better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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