Members Guitar Centaur Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by worthyjoe it's a shame because he has the right look and, say what you want, he's a good rock singer. I think the only reason Creed got such a bad rap was because of his attitude. It's a damn shame. Are you {censored}ting me?! The guy has no range, and those "rockstar" poses are so contrived, he looks laughable doing them. The only people he's convincing are the adolescent girls.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members worthyjoe Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by Crustycabs Are you {censored}ting me?!The guy has no range, and those "rockstar" poses are so contrived, he looks laughable doing them. The only people he's convincing are the adolescent girls.... You only say that because you think he's an asshole, and rightfully so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members THX1138 Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by Crustycabs The only people he's convincing are the adolescent girls.... And this is why he is a mega star. I mean, are us old farts the key cd buyin demographic? I don't like the shmuck either, just sayin. Back to the previously scheduled thread now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squealie Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Every once in a while, a CD will come along that I just get lost in. In the last decade or so, it's been sooo rare that this happens. I have tons of music that I listen to, just for clues on mixing, arranging, tones, ideas for solos etc.... It kinda makes the whole experience almost like work. I miss being naive, and just being swept away with music, instead of constantly thinking: How did they do that?!?!? or What gave them this idea?!?!? or How can I rip that off?!?!? That's why I listen to so much 'chick' music like Tori Amos, or Fiona Apple. Its just so removed from what I do. Some of it still filters in though. AC/DC is great too. Because a 3rd grader can figure out how they 'did it' ....but even the most experienced players have a hell of a time rocking THAT HARD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LateGreats Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by squealie That's why I listen to so much 'chick' music like Tori Amos, or Fiona Apple. Its just so removed from what I do. Some of it still filters in though. I do this too. Sometimes, I find female singer/songwriter stuff far more interesting than the same old boring mishmash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members THBv2.0 Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by squealie Every once in a while, a CD will come along that I just get lost in. In the last decade or so, it's been sooo rare that this happens. I have tons of music that I listen to, just for clues on mixing, arranging, tones, ideas for solos etc.... It kinda makes the whole experience almost like work. I miss being naive, and just being swept away with music, instead of constantly thinking: How did they do that?!?!? or What gave them this idea?!?!? or How can I rip that off?!?!? I'm like you in that I love being completely overwhelmed by something I haven't heard before, but I don't think you have to be naive to let yourself be swept away by music. I let it happen to me all the time, like when I heard your CD for the first time. To pull music apart as you listen is a conscience effort, and maybe if you relaxed a bit and just let new songs come over you without listening from a technical standpoint, you'd enjoy them more.Or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockGirl Posted February 15, 2006 Author Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Another question along the same lines...Can you listen to music just for the sheer enjoyment of it or are you always listening to it and disecting it musically? Especially those of you who do alot of recording Great question BndGrl! Answering that would be like trying to bite my teeth funny Zookie! I don't mean to hijack the thread, but seriously, has there ever been a musician as dislikable as Scott Stapp? I doubt it, his hypocrisy is what turns most of us off and the fact that he's totally bought into the idea that he's some megastar. He has a select group of followers/fans that think he walks on water and they're truly pathetic. But none of that is listening in the same way that a person listens for pleasure. I really miss listening for pleasure Terry, I understand exactly what you mean. I can totally immerse myself in music and sometimes I actually get goose bumps when a song really speaks to me. The guy has no range, and those "rockstar" poses are so contrived, he looks laughable doing them. The only people he's convincing are the adolescent girls.... I agree Crusty, the majority of the talent came from Mark Tremonti, Flip(Scott Phillips), Brian Marshall, and Brett Hestla (for a time) but there was only so much crap and embarrassment they could put up with.At this point it's obvious he's nearly destroyed his singing voice with alcohol, cigarettes, and singing incorrectly. Some of the songs on his solo album I can't even listen to because they sound painful.I really appreciate all your opinions, thanks everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Preacher Will Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 My band is what I would call a "Christian cover" band--we mostly do mainstream praise and worship music of the Hillsong/Integrity/Maranatha/yadda-yadda genre interspersed with some original works. The irony for me is that, even though I'm the band's leader, I don't often listen to that kind of music on a regular basis. About once a month, I'll troll CCLI's top 25 list to see if anything new is happening that I might want to check out, or I'll buy half a dozen CD's of various artists or compilations to listen to for songs to add to the playlist, but mostly, when I'm just listening to music for pleasure, I'm listening to some other genre. And I don't spend much time doing that. If I'm not in the car driving alone, or specifically looking for something to add to the playlist, I'm not listening to music. There simply isn't time in my life to do so and I find music as background noise to be too distracting to have around. Right now, it is about 1:00 in the afternoon and my drummer and I spent the morning jamming and working on some new material before bringing it to the band at our next rehearsal. I'm home, the house is silent, and I'm going to keep it that way for a while. As I have very catholic tastes, when I do listen to radio or CD it could be anything from classical to jazz to New Age to bluegrass (or, more accurately, newgrass--two of my favorites right now are Allison Krauss and Nicklecreek) to classic rock to country. Two genres that I try to avoid are hip-hop and rap but, having a teenage daughter raised in an urban culture, it is impossible to escape! I guess that I should consider myself blessed because I can still listen to music without trying to dissect it. It still has the ability to cut through the analytical part of me and touch something organic and primal inside. If that ever disappears, I may have to quit playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Guitar Centaur Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by worthyjoe You only say that because you think he's an asshole, and rightfully so. Honestly, I thought that before I really even knew much about the band.Swear to God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators MrKnobs Posted February 15, 2006 Moderators Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by THX1138 And this is why he is a mega star. I mean, are us old farts the key cd buyin demographic? The majority of CD sales are to people 35 and over. Someone on here posted that, I didn't believe him. But after researching it, it's really true. Younger people are much more likely to download and file share, much of it without paying. Terry D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squealie Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by MrKnobs The majority of CD sales are to people 35 and over.Someone on here posted that, I didn't believe him. But after researching it, it's really true.Younger people are much more likely to download and file share, much of it without paying.Terry D. While this may be true, the diversity of that demographic has proven more difficult to market to. I'd like to see the age demographic for the Billboard top 20. I'd bet the farm that it's 13-25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueStrat Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by MrKnobs Younger people are much more likely to download and file share, much of it without paying. Terry D. Ya just had to go kick that sleeping dog, didn't ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vanlatte Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by BndGrl Another question along the same lines...Can you listen to music just for the sheer enjoyment of it or are you always listening to it and disecting it musically? Especially those of you who do alot of recording. These are great questions!I listen to music almost constantly. I could no sooner give up music than I could give ups breathing Like many here, I am all over the place as far as styles. But one thing is always the same: I *always* listen to music for enjoyment, no matter what I am listening to at the time. If I don't enjoy it I won't be listening to it.When I was younger I spent a lot of time disecting music. I still do it on occasion but it seems to decrease the older I get. In fact, the older I get the more I notice I am drawn to more "simple" music. By simple I guess I mean "not technically amazing buy pleasant to listen to". And pleasant (to me) can mean anything from screaming vocals to dreamy harmonies to scorching guitars to gentle strings, depending on my mood.If that makes any sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Will the Muse Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 I know Rivers Cuomo once said that he never listens to music a funny thing with me is that I tend to to listen to music completely opposite of what I have just got done playing at either a rehearsal or performance. Such as if I have just finished playing with my heavier blues/rock band I will put in something nice and mellow with more of a pop feel to it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I enjoy a change of pace as much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Matter-Eater Lad Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 I very rarely listen to music for enjoyment. If I do it's in my car, and it's the radio. I don't have a CD collection at all. I don't have a computer at home so I don't have a collection there either. I just enjoy playing guitar. Some of what I play is music but a lot of it is mechanical: scales and other technical practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squealie Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by vanlatte When I was younger I spent a lot of time disecting music. I still do it on occasion but it seems to decrease the older I get. In fact, the older I get the more I notice I am drawn to more "simple" music. That makes sense. At some point, I also started caring less about whether the musicians I was listening to were impressive. I just want a cool tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vanlatte Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by squealie That makes sense. At some point, I also started caring less about whether the musicians I was listening to were impressive. I just want a cool tune. Ah, good, I wasn't sure if anyone would understand my rambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lee Flier Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by RockGirl I'm curious about when you're recording, on the road, or just playing out regularly. Do you listen to music? If so do you listen to the type of music you play, or some other genre? ...I find it extremely hard to believe that someone who's career is in the music business never listens to music. Well, believe it. There are quite a few people like that - sometimes because they don't want to be influenced by anything. Other times just cuz they're a self centered ass who can't stand to hear anything that might be better than them. I both listen to music and go to clubs and concerts to see other bands often (and often accompanied by a bandmate). And a lot of it is not anything I would play, often it's some other genre.One odd thing about my music listening habits though - I can't stand "musical wallpaper." That is, I don't like to listen to music in the background while I'm working or talking to friends or anything like that. Reason being that if I hear music my whole being immediately gravitates toward that and I can't focus on whatever else I'm trying to do. Other than occasionally while driving, I usually don't listen to music unless I'm in a place where I can give it my full attention. Even when driving, although I enjoy "road mixes" and the like, a lot of times I use drive time to work on my own song ideas in which case I don't want any other music distracting me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lee Flier Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by BndGrl Another question along the same lines...Can you listen to music just for the sheer enjoyment of it or are you always listening to it and disecting it musically? Especially those of you who do alot of recording. I do a lot of recording, including engineering. And I feel blessed, because I know a LOT of musicians and engineers have the problem you mention. Thankfully I don't. I can listen to music totally with a "right brain" type of mindset, without feeling the need to dissect it at all or even thinking about the fact that I'm a musician. There might be something specific that catches my ear that I WANT to dissect because I think it might be relevant to something I do or want to do... but once I figure that out, it's back to just being a fan. I seem to be able to switch between "dissection mode" and "just listening/feeling" mode pretty easily. And I'm glad; I'd hate not to experience the ongoing magic of being a fan and appreciating music for what it is, not what I might impose on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vanlatte Posted February 15, 2006 Members Share Posted February 15, 2006 Originally posted by Lee Flier I do a lot of recording, including engineering. And I feel blessed, because I know a LOT of musicians and engineers have the problem you mention. Thankfully I don't. I can listen to music totally with a "right brain" type of mindset, without feeling the need to dissect it at all or even thinking about the fact that I'm a musician. There might be something specific that catches my ear that I WANT to dissect because I think it might be relevant to something I do or want to do... but once I figure that out, it's back to just being a fan. I seem to be able to switch between "dissection mode" and "just listening/feeling" mode pretty easily. And I'm glad; I'd hate not to experience the ongoing magic of being a fan and appreciating music for what it is, not what I might impose on it. You summed up my thoughts exactly; some times it just feels right to dissect a piece of music.Other times it seems like a tragedy to get so caught up in the "how" that we end up missing the real beauty in the music.I better quit now before I start getting poetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockGirl Posted February 16, 2006 Author Members Share Posted February 16, 2006 Lee, I think it's the latter in Stapp's case. He's such an egomaniac he even put down Dave Grohl mentioning the size of his (Dave's) penis when they filmed him on SpikeTV, Casino Cimena and he was beyond drunk.And I'm glad to hear everyone's opinions at get some new insight into the world of musicians.I could no sooner give up music than I could give ups breathing That's exactly how I feel. A day without music is a bad day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhythmdoctor Posted February 16, 2006 Members Share Posted February 16, 2006 As a child and teenager I listened to music constantly, even through my early 20s. Now, however, I rarely listen to music, I only create it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roy Brooks Posted February 16, 2006 Members Share Posted February 16, 2006 I hardly ever listen to the radio. But I listen to a whole lot of records. I listen to some of the stuff I play in bands. And that means rockabilly, hillbilly jazz, anything with lap steel on it, fifties and sixties country, among other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Blackwatch Posted February 16, 2006 Members Share Posted February 16, 2006 I love listening to good music. I often ask my daughter to recomend good tunes so I know whats happening with the"kids" these days. I have to be careful though, because I'm one of those people who remembers what he hears like it's being played on a cd player note for note. I hear the whole peice like I'm hearing it again. Anybody else have that happen? It's both a gift and a curse. It sure sucks when you get a bad song in your head. If this happens I have to find something to play to get something else in there before I go nuts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockGirl Posted February 16, 2006 Author Members Share Posted February 16, 2006 I'm one of those people who remembers what he hears like it's being played on a cd player note for note. I hear the whole peice like I'm hearing it again. Anybody else have that happen? It's both a gift and a curse. I can see where that could mess you up, but on the bright side it sure makes it easier to learn new songs. As you said it's a blessing and a curse. I guess I'm not really typical of most moms, I like the new music. Actually only the good new music . My kids like rockin' out with me except I have to censor so much of it since the oldest of the 4 is only 9. While personally I hate 'radio versions' they're good in a way because the bad words are bleeped out so I can listen with the kids. We like Disturbed,Linkin Park,Foo Fighters,Trapt,RHCP,3 DD,Shinedown,Puddle of Mud,etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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