Members alekke Posted July 2, 2008 Members Share Posted July 2, 2008 Hey guys! I'm going to experiment wit my dbx215 eq and put second eq channel just before my preamp in order to play with some freq. little more. My goal is to get that midrangy sound with ultra tight bass and cutting highs but in a way a bit scooped. Just like meshuggah, bulb or fellsilent. I have C7 Blackjack with rewounded JB-7 wich is now more clearer and articulated. Rest of the gear is mentioned below. Right now I use one equalizer channel after the preamp and cut everything above 4kHz, boosting around 1-2kHz, cuting 400-600Hz, and boosting 100Hz. My question is: When I put another eq channel before preamp, what is the best ratio of eq bands of pre and post equalizer to start with to get the mentioned sound? Thanks A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members El Grinder Posted July 3, 2008 Members Share Posted July 3, 2008 If you boost mids before your gain stages, you'll get nicely saturated, very present distortion sounds. Then bring the bass & treble back with a scooped curve after your distortion. That'll keep the mids & treble clean & tight while giving you some in-your-face distortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mackin Posted July 3, 2008 Members Share Posted July 3, 2008 Yes, like El Grinder said. The upper mids are the frequencies to aim at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alekke Posted July 3, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 3, 2008 Great! Just what I need! tHANKS! Too bad I didnt think of it before I started recording new album, but I use it as a post-eq of my direct out. Never mind! cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members corporealJigsor Posted July 4, 2008 Members Share Posted July 4, 2008 Cut bass pre distortion to tighten things up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members anunnaki Posted July 5, 2008 Members Share Posted July 5, 2008 What works for me, but your mileage may vary, is to use a pre eq curve that is the opposite of the post eq curve; it sounds counter intuitive but it works, the end result is that you clean up the frequencies you'll actually boost later on; for instance if you favor a scooped metal tone, use a frown pre eq curve (boost the mids), the end tone will be crunchier and cleaner with less gain needed.Hope that helps ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members El Grinder Posted July 6, 2008 Members Share Posted July 6, 2008 ^ which is pretty much boosting mids pre-gain & cutting after... I think we have a consensus here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mackin Posted July 12, 2008 Members Share Posted July 12, 2008 the magic of mids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alekke Posted July 15, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 15, 2008 Thank U all guys! I'm still waiting to do the guitar tracks as I already started to record without pre-eq! When I finish, and find a right tone I'll post you! Cheerz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted July 18, 2008 Members Share Posted July 18, 2008 If you boost mids before your gain stages, you'll get nicely saturated, very present distortion sounds. Then bring the bass & treble back with a scooped curve after your distortion. That'll keep the mids & treble clean & tight while giving you some in-your-face distortion. yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alekke Posted July 22, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 22, 2008 I just realized the problem! I should not connect my guitar directly into my dbx 215 equalizer in order to boost some frequencies, because the output impedance of my guitar is much higher than the input impedance of dbx equalizer!!! I'll need some kind of impedance transformer!Can somebody suggest something for this to work properly? Will ordenary stompbox work as a high-to-low ohm impedance transformer,or will I need an active DI box, as I read somewhere, wich will demand constant usage of battery power supply? I 'll appreciate if anybody with similar experience and knowlage shares the options with me! THANX! A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members anunnaki Posted July 22, 2008 Members Share Posted July 22, 2008 Alekke, I had the same problem going from my guitar directly into a rocktron ProQ equalizer; i was advised to use a clean boost, for instance a MXR MC-401 (http://www.thomann.de/fr/mxr_mc401.htm), cobuilt by bob Bradshaw. This way your guitar has a strong enough signal to enter a rack unit. Me, I gave up on the idea, and just use an EQ pedal in front of my amp and rack to get a single pre-EQ curve, the one i need most often for distortion. I hope that helps !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alekke Posted July 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 23, 2008 Just what I thought!A single pedal or a passive DI would do the trick! Thanks anunnaki! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alekke Posted July 30, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 30, 2008 OK, this is not what I expected. Heres what happened: I tried to connect the dbx215 eq before the preamp, I even use racktuner before my guitar hits the equalizer to lower the impedance cause dbx rack eq has only 20-40kOhm input, and all I got was noisy overdrive instead of crushing hi gain that I had before connecting eq pre gain. heres some specifications from dbx 215: InputsConnectors: 1/4" TRS, female XLR (pin 2 hot)Type: Electronically balanced/unbalanced, RF filteredImpedance: Balanced 40k?, unbalanced 20k?Max Input Level: >+21dBu balanced or unbalancedCMRR: >40dB, typically >55dB at 1kHz OutputsConnectors: 1/4" TRS, male XLR (pin 2 hot)Type: Impedance-balanced/unbalanced, RF filteredImpedance: Balanced 100?, unbalanced 50?Max Output Level: >+21dBu balanced/unbalanced into 2k? or greater>+18dBm balanced/unbalanced (into 600?) System PerformanceBandwidth: 20Hz to 20kHz, +0.5/-1dBFrequency Response: 50kHz, +0.5/-3dBDynamic Range: 108dbSignal-to-Noise: 90dbTHD+Noise: Interchannel Crosstalk: So whats the story here? Is it possible that it cant operate with guitar outputs? Can it really be connected after a guitar and how, or not?I read somewhere that between that and instrument input are 20dB difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members anunnaki Posted July 30, 2008 Members Share Posted July 30, 2008 There is a mismatch between levels, not only impedance. (if I understand your setup). Your guitar signal enters the EQ about 30dB lower than what the EQ expects, so you have ground noise, because the amount of "musical" signal that goes through is very low. I had the same problem. As I said you need to use a clean boost between your guitar and the EQ. But then, you may have problems because your preamp sees a far stronger signal entering it? I haven't gone that far, so I can't help you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alekke Posted July 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 Damn! So question is how could I put this together? I'm sure that the impedance is always going from smaller to higher, so it should not be the problem. I use my eq's ch1 after a preamp and before poweramp, and I don't think that my poweramp sees any stronger signal that it should. Is there any one that managed to connect the setup this way? I have an irresistible need for using my eq's ch2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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