Members Mr. Botch Posted February 19, 2006 Members Share Posted February 19, 2006 Poop. Just found out last night that the Esquire House of Blues had their lease bought out, and tonight's their last night being open. We were supposed to play there next Friday night, and we've played there the last two New Year's Eve and considered it our "home base". They would always run an ad in the local paper announcing us playing, not only the week before but two weeks before, and for the most part we had a pretty good crowd, and the personnel there were great! Another hotel chain bought out the "historic Ben Lomond hotel" (where the Esquire was located) and I guess they want to turn the place into a quiet cocktail lounge, with no live music. I hate it when this happens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueStrat Posted February 19, 2006 Members Share Posted February 19, 2006 Yup, it's happening all over. Too much expense and liability for the place to be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squealie Posted February 19, 2006 Members Share Posted February 19, 2006 I've been through several 'home base' closings. It's always disturbing, even emotional. Clubs close, bands fold, nothing stays the same. I really feel that we are in the last days of live entertainment.Hell, the motion picture theater replaced live theater, across most of the world decades ago... DJs and kareoke, and a zillion other entertainment outlets are doing the same to us. It's inevitable.Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AJ6stringsting Posted February 19, 2006 Members Share Posted February 19, 2006 Originally posted by squealie I've been through several 'home base' closings. It's always disturbing, even emotional. Clubs close, bands fold, nothing stays the same. I really feel that we are in the last days of live entertainment. Hell, the motion picture theater replaced live theater, across most of the world decades ago... DJs and kareoke, and a zillion other entertainment outlets are doing the same to us. It's inevitable. Yay! Back in 1987, when most of the Metal bands were worrying more about image that songwritting and playing good, I knew that musicianship was going out of style, then in 1992, Grunge came in and showed the world that music quality was third behind image and trendiness. To even show how much the bar was lowered guitar wise is when they tried to make guys like Tom Morello, Monkey and Head ,Darren Malakian and Wes Borland into guitar heros:rolleyes: ,talk about scapping the bottom of the barrel.Another factor why I think clubs are closing down is because the newer music is so inferior that people don't want to go see a crap band play crap music!That's why the music industry is dying, their signing sorry bands too:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roy Brooks Posted February 19, 2006 Members Share Posted February 19, 2006 No live music=ghey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squealie Posted February 20, 2006 Members Share Posted February 20, 2006 Originally posted by AJ6stringsting Back in 1987, when most of the Metal bands were worrying more about image that songwritting and playing good, I knew that musicianship was going out of style, then in 1992, Grunge came in and showed the world that music quality was third behind image and trendiness. To even show how much the bar was lowered guitar wise is when they tried to make guys like Tom Morello, Monkey and Head ,Darren Malakian and Wes Borland into guitar heros:rolleyes: ,talk about scapping the bottom of the barrel.Another factor why I think clubs are closing down is because the newer music is so inferior that people don't want to go see a crap band play crap music!That's why the music industry is dying, their signing sorry bands too:D I totally disagree with everything you've said.Live rock is/was simply entertainment/distraction. If audiences EVER cared about the 'musicianship' it certainly hasn't been in the rock era. If musicianship were king, then Big Bands, Symphonies and Orchestras (and Steve Morse) would still be the primary draw.Trends, are easy to dismiss. But it might be more accurate to say that what we call trends, are actually each generations new 'voice'. Hair metal replaced AOR rock (Journey, REO, Foghat) because of the image of wild abandon and hedonism. Grunge replaced that, because the next generation needed a voice.Blaming the death of live music on Tom Morello, is silly. There have been TONS of great performers to come out in the last 15 years. People just don't care right now.... they think of DJs just like they used to think of musicians. I guess the same thing happened in the disco era, and in the early 90s right before Grunge brought live rock back for a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpacedCowboy Posted February 20, 2006 Members Share Posted February 20, 2006 Originally posted by squealie People just don't care right now.... they think of DJs just like they used to think of musicians. Funny...with MAYBE the exception of Jam Master Jay, Grand Master Flash, Terminator X and Jazzy Jeff, I can't think of any DJ's that anyone speaks of reverently like they do Page, Hendrix, Clapton, et. al...Oh, excuse me, squealie...you're on one of your gloom and doom rants...so sorry...my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squealie Posted February 20, 2006 Members Share Posted February 20, 2006 Originally posted by SpacedCowboy Funny...with MAYBE the exception of Jam Master Jay, Grand Master Flash, Terminator X and Jazzy Jeff, I can't think of any DJ's that anyone speaks of reverently like they do Page, Hendrix, Clapton, et. al... Oh, excuse me, squealie...you're on one of your gloom and doom rants...so sorry...my bad. What I mean is....The DJ, is the CLUB_STAR....like musicians used to be. The chicks all want to 'get to know' him.... Now STFU and go read your JaPORNime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpacedCowboy Posted February 20, 2006 Members Share Posted February 20, 2006 Originally posted by squealie What I mean is.... The DJ, is the CLUB_STAR....like musicians used to be. The chicks all want to 'get to know' him.... Really? You have first hand evidence of this? With the exception of when we're gigging, when do you get out to the clubs? Not doubting you, just askin'... Now STFU...Yeah...THAT'LL happen. ...and read your JaPORNime. Only because you're boring me. No other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squealie Posted February 20, 2006 Members Share Posted February 20, 2006 Originally posted by SpacedCowboy Really? You have first hand evidence of this? With the exception of when we're gigging, when do you get out to the clubs? Not doubting you, just askin'... {censored}, I'm nationwide. Only because you're boring me. No other reason. Boo hoo, you're only entertained by crappy drawings of 13 year-old hermaphrodites.......I like them too, but I prefer hairy midget amputee lesbians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpacedCowboy Posted February 20, 2006 Members Share Posted February 20, 2006 Originally posted by squealie Boo hoo, you're only entertained by crappy drawings of 13 year-old hermaphrodites.... ...I like them too, but I prefer hairy midget amputee lesbians. Ya got me there, Senior Bad N. Nationwide.BOT: Botch, I hear ya. A little something inside me dies whenever a favorite live venue goes down for whatever reason. I tend to be a little more on the positive thinking side of things than my partner squealameal on each club closing being the death knell for live entertainment.I think there will always be an audience that wants to be entertained by real people displaying real talent on a real stage.That said, circumstances such as stricteralcohol/drinking laws, smoking bans, our society becoming more and more litigious, etc. are unfortunately insuring that venues for such audiences and such performers will get rarer and rarer with each passing year. I'm positive, but I'm not naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tedster Posted February 20, 2006 Members Share Posted February 20, 2006 Originally posted by squealie ...I like them too, but I prefer hairy midget amputee lesbians. "Hairy Midget Amputee Lesbians" WBAGNFARB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Blackwatch Posted February 20, 2006 Members Share Posted February 20, 2006 I've had two of our favorite clubs say they're not having live music anymore and the rumor is that they're hurting. We had one club stop live music that had been hosting performers for 30 years. I played there back in the 80's. We're still staying in there but it does take some of the fun out of it, having to scratch so hard for gigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AJ6stringsting Posted February 21, 2006 Members Share Posted February 21, 2006 Originally posted by squealie I totally disagree with everything you've said. Live rock is/was simply entertainment/distraction. If audiences EVER cared about the 'musicianship' it certainly hasn't been in the rock era. If musicianship were king, then Big Bands, Symphonies and Orchestras (and Steve Morse) would still be the primary draw. Trends, are easy to dismiss. But it might be more accurate to say that what we call trends, are actually each generations new 'voice'. Hair metal replaced AOR rock (Journey, REO, Foghat) because of the image of wild abandon and hedonism. Grunge replaced that, because the next generation needed a voice. Blaming the death of live music on Tom Morello, is silly. There have been TONS of great performers to come out in the last 15 years. People just don't care right now.... they think of DJs just like they used to think of musicians. I guess the same thing happened in the disco era, and in the early 90s right before Grunge brought live rock back for a time. I'm a huge Steve Morse fan!......Bring back the Dixie Dregs!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ibobunot Posted February 21, 2006 Members Share Posted February 21, 2006 Originally posted by squealie Clubs close, bands fold, nothing stays the same. I really feel that we are in the last days of live entertainment. The future of live entertainment? The house concert . What is a house concert?The definition's flexible, but generally, it's a show that's presented in someone's home, or a nearby private space. The audience capacity is usually from 20 upwards.The money collected usually (but not always) goes straight to the performers, with no "profit motive" on the presenter's part.House concerts are usually conducted by invitation with audience members making a donation rather than members of the public buying tickets. This is very important as it gets around the need for a license.Unless there is a large audience performances are usually done without a sound system. What does a House Concert need?It is much like throwing a party but with a few important extras: The performers need their own space which in a living room would ideally be at the opposite end to the entrance.The audience need chairs and room to move in and out during the evening without disrupting the show. Cushions on the floor will be fine for the younger members of the audience.Parking for your guests. The performers will need to park close to your house. http://www.lisafitzgibbon.com/gigs_home_concerts.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 2180 Posted February 21, 2006 Members Share Posted February 21, 2006 Maybe I'm a bit paranoid, but, it just seems like we "people" aren't allowed to have adventures (fun) anymore, everything seems just so structured toward commerce and profit and materialism, that we've had our emotional freedoms restricted.Most of those places going out-of-business probably couldn't afford the new rent, mainly because of gouging by the owners or property taxes, maybe the liquer licenses went way-up, maybe liability insurance, it's all marginalizing the general populations well-being, paying the few at the expense of the many(tragedy of the commons).IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Blackwatch Posted February 21, 2006 Members Share Posted February 21, 2006 The future of live entertainment?The house concert . Man you hit it on the head. It's the only way certain types of music will make it. Not everybody wants to go out and hear a loud band. And the cool thing about playing these is that the people that go to these things are music lovers. I think if you had a circut of these you could make a comfortable living playing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ibobunot Posted February 21, 2006 Members Share Posted February 21, 2006 Lucy Kaplansky, Roy Book Binder, Jeffrey Foucault are doing home concert tours.http://www.house-concerts.org/index2.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wheresgrant3 Posted February 21, 2006 Members Share Posted February 21, 2006 Originally posted by AJ6stringsting I'm a huge Steve Morse fan!......Bring back the Dixie Dregs!!!! I could tell by your original post. So am I... and I have seen him many times solo, with the Dregs and with Deep Purple. Unfortunately many of the solo appearances I've seen he's drawn about the same nimber of people (size venue) as a friends touring Rage Against The Machine Tribute band. I guess that kinda blows up your original post a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wheresgrant3 Posted February 21, 2006 Members Share Posted February 21, 2006 It's funny... my local area is going through a resurgance of new venues somewhat. In the last year there has been 5-6 new bars/clubs that have added to the list of 5-6 existing venues to play. Of course , many still lack stage, lights and sound, many of them are decent sized and are willing to pay. It seems to be a resurgence after NY enacted the Anti-Smoking laws. It took 3 years , however bar crowds are finally finding their way back to live music. Two years ago there wasn't much of a choice... now we have too many choices and not enough calendar dates. Of course all of these new rooms could be closed in two years due to mismanagement, however the crowds seem to be thicker than usual in the last 6-12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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