Members zone_ahead Posted May 14, 2004 Members Share Posted May 14, 2004 Originally posted by ebonivory I don't know what to think anymore..it's like information overload compounded by lies, spin and politics, which I guess are all the same thing. So, who's doing who? I don't know anymore. yeah, about the only thing that i know is that i don't know. i don't believe a word of anything that gets put out these days.....from anyone. i never got the "we are lying to you/shielding you from the truth for your own good":confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members davehorne Posted May 14, 2004 Members Share Posted May 14, 2004 A friend of mine made a remark that made sense in a sick way. I will be buying a new house next year and am worried about the timing of selling my investments to come up with the expenses; he suggested buying into a munitions mutual fund. No matter how much of this bull{censored} goes on, there's always a {censored}load of munitions and weapons. There never seems to be a shortage. This is slightly off topic as this incident involved a knife. I must be getting old as I look at all of this stuff as a black comedy. I'm an American living in the Netherlands and have it in the back of my mind to move to a country that is never in the news ... Wales, for instance ... or Scotland. Sorry ... just rambling after my third glass of wine ... or was it my fourth ...? As you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members C. Martin Posted May 15, 2004 Members Share Posted May 15, 2004 I will not watch it. It is to sad and it is horrendous to see what they did to Nick Berg. I saw a little clip on the news where the murderer/hostage taker was taking out the knife and putting it to his throat, then they cut the video. Its just so sad.p120dUde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sarpa Posted May 15, 2004 Members Share Posted May 15, 2004 Originally posted by isosceles hate responding to these kinds of posts but.....there is definitely something fishy about the Berg video. check out www.prisonplanet.comto see the anomalies listed. no offense, but i am sure someone is gonna be offended anyways..but that is a bunch of {censored}ing bull{censored}. what? his family and all those people who knew him are all faking it? i mean, how would you like it if you got to see your son tortured to death, and he was never coming back? and then some internet assclowns start this "it was an isreali rifle, the scream didn't sound real.." crap? he's dead, his head was separated from his body, a family lost their son. watch the video all day long, look for clothing tags or whatever....i guess i ran out of steam. nevermind, i guess it really doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mytee2.0 Posted May 15, 2004 Members Share Posted May 15, 2004 seen it, I dunno. It was gross and horrible but im pretty jaded the worst video Ive ever seen was some little black kid that was executed in Africa for some reason, he was literally dragged while kicking and crying, it was horrible. ok no im depressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Raymar Posted May 15, 2004 Members Share Posted May 15, 2004 Haven't seen it, reading and hearing about it was bad enough. To think that he didn't know what was comming until the knife started cutting, the horror! Then I heard it took about two minutes to get to his spine. To think this has happened to lots of people throughout history, John the Baptist for instance. The scary thing is it may happen again with more pictures being revealed. What makes it the worst kind of trajedy is that it was preventable. He didn't have to go there, had a chance to fly out, then Bush wouldn't swap a prisoner for him. But then again look at all the thousands of innocent women and children that have been bombed in Afghanistan and Iraq. War just sucks all the way around. Its weird to think that when you're enjoying yourself in some way at any given moment, somebody in another part of the world is going through the most grizzly kind of hell. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Analog Kid Posted May 15, 2004 Members Share Posted May 15, 2004 Originally posted by sarpa what? his family and all those people who knew him are all faking it? who ever said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scubyfan Posted May 15, 2004 Members Share Posted May 15, 2004 Originally posted by Raymar Then I heard it took about two minutes to get to his spine. That is not so. It took about twenty seconds, but he did not suffer through it. He died after the first few seconds, that is, after his throat was slit. The decapitation did not take place while he was still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mytee2.0 Posted May 15, 2004 Members Share Posted May 15, 2004 Originally posted by Raymar Then I heard it took about two minutes to get to his spine.... thats not true, the whole.... um... cutting took about 15-20 seconds. and I think he was dead after about 5-7.but still, 7 seconds of pure hell *edit*whoop, is there an echo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cl516 Posted May 15, 2004 Members Share Posted May 15, 2004 "Yeah, it's so sad, but I know someone who saw it." "Oh yeah, well, my friend saw it yesterday on tv." "Ha, well, I saw it myself this morning." "Oh yeah? It was terrible. Well my friend's uncle was IN it, so there." "That's nothing, I came out of it myself, so there. It was just SO horrible." "Oh yeah, well I came out of it, and I have a scar on my leg." "Well that's nothing, I lost my leg completely when I ran out." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mytee2.0 Posted May 15, 2004 Members Share Posted May 15, 2004 um what now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nSCOURGE Posted May 15, 2004 Members Share Posted May 15, 2004 DL'd it a couple of days ago, only 'cause an aquaintance wanted my opinion. I have to say though, if it was staged, it hasn't evoked the kind of response from me that was intended, regardless of motivation. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nSCOURGE Posted May 15, 2004 Members Share Posted May 15, 2004 Is it just me, or does anyone else think that dyke-looking chicks(like in AK's photo) join the military just so they can have guys(probably stoned out of their minds, from what I hear) fawn over them, who otherwise wouldn't touch them with a 10 ft. pole(hopefully). Ugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Analog Kid Posted May 15, 2004 Members Share Posted May 15, 2004 well, that chick is knocked up with that dudes runt... what a great set of folks he/she's gonna have "clean your room or your fathers gonna sodomize you with a M-16 muzzle!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members b3keys Posted May 16, 2004 Members Share Posted May 16, 2004 Out of respect to his family, I will not watch that video. Nick Berg did not deserve to die such a horrible death. My heart goes out to his friends and family. As for MP guards who beat the Iraqui prisoners, they should also be tried as accessories to murder. Nick Berg would not have died, if they hadn't mistreated the prisoners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scubyfan Posted May 16, 2004 Members Share Posted May 16, 2004 Originally posted by b3keys Nick Berg would not have died, if they hadn't mistreated the prisoners. I don't know if that would be the case, though that is the first conclusion that is reached. They might have killed him anyway, like they killed and hung the four or so contractors a while ago and simply used the invasion as a cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Analog Kid Posted May 16, 2004 Members Share Posted May 16, 2004 Originally posted by scubyfan They might have killed him anyway, like they killed and hung the four or so contractors a while ago and simply used the invasion as a cause. sorry, i cant let that go, those "contracters" were mercanaries, plain and simple...not that it makes it right, but it does change the perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scubyfan Posted May 16, 2004 Members Share Posted May 16, 2004 Can't agree or disagree, because I don't know for sure. Surely Daniel Pearl wasn't a mercenary, but they found a reason to justify his killing. What about the Italian contractor that was killed? What about that contractor that was taken hostage and later escaped? Perhaps he would have been killed, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Keybass Posted May 16, 2004 Members Share Posted May 16, 2004 Well after reading close to 100 description of this horrific act I succomb to my own morbid curiosity and watched most of this video. The people who suspect that it is fake are simply idiots. It is clear that Mr. Berg had no clue of what was coming until the blade was upon him. This strain of Islam must be eliminated from the earth. The butchering of Mr. Berg serves as an example their madness. Mr. Berg did flinch and tense up against the three men that were on him. I hope that each of these animals find the same fate as the four contractors ( security gaurds for a food convoy ) met in Fallujah. They are animals and not our equals as human beings. The Abu Ghraib prison fiasco was bad but not unlike prison life here in the U.S.. I don't believe in an eye for an eye. But I do believe that evil exist and it must be dealt with. Radical Islam is evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members malfunkt Posted May 16, 2004 Members Share Posted May 16, 2004 Originally posted by Keybass They are animals and not our equals as human beings. Unfortunately, whoever killed Nick Berg was all to human. This is obvious. Dehumanizing those that perpetrated the crime makes it easy to categorize people as "them" and "us". Problems arise when we start generalizing in such fashion and may inadvertently include those that are innocent in the groups we believe to be guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Keybass Posted May 16, 2004 Members Share Posted May 16, 2004 Originally posted by malfunkt Unfortunately, whoever killed Nick Berg was all to human. This is obvious. Dehumanizing those that perpetrated the crime makes it easy to categorize people as "them" and "us". Problems arise when we start generalizing in such fashion and may inadvertently include those that are innocent in the groups we believe to be guilty. You're assuming to much. They do not place a value on human life. Even mainstream muslims were appauld. They are animals and not our equals as humanbeings. I stand by that phrase and I suspect so do many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scubyfan Posted May 16, 2004 Members Share Posted May 16, 2004 Originally posted by Keybass You're assuming to much. They do not place a value on human life. Even mainstream muslims were appauld. They are animals and not our equals as humanbeings. I stand by that phrase and I suspect so do many others. Western society has instilled upon us a feeling of superiority that is further enhanced by such acts. There is no universal value on human life, and some cultures and beliefs choose to cross the barrier which is regarded as beyond taboo by the rest of us. Perhaps they loathe everything that you believe in and feel the same as you do about them. Does this make us any more right? Does this make them any more wrong? Each of us is obviously the judge of that, but malfunkt, I suspect, was referring to the psychological aspect of biased generalizations that drape an entire group of people with the sheet of inferiority to further polarize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nSCOURGE Posted May 16, 2004 Members Share Posted May 16, 2004 An individuals capacity to commit such acts, lies rooted in a phenomenon known as 'selective empathy'(a concept I explained more thoroughly in an earlier thread), an inherent mechanism of all human psychology. Assertations that the perpetrators are somehow 'inhuman', is only further proof of this(though quite a common reaction). Strong emotional bias, will only exacerbate the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yoozer Posted May 16, 2004 Members Share Posted May 16, 2004 Originally posted by tdm71 Pardon my ignorance.... but WHAT THE HELL ARE THOSE??? Call it the filthy, white, fat underbelly of the Internet - well, only Stileproject and Blogwars that is. Stileproject is a bit of a shock jock website (but his usual rants which were quite good have been replaced by a bi-weekly posting of gore and porn), Blogwars is a site that's one of the sub-sites of Stileproject - where anyone can submit an article - and the rest comment on it. "Blog" comes from "weblog". A weblog is a collection of articles, usually maintained by a single person, to be posted online to be viewed by either everyone or a few folks who are logged in (this is due to the nature of some of the articles - if you're writing a 2 page piece about how your parents are sadistic, heartless scumbags you don't want 'm to stumble on it, right?) IRC is Internet Relay Chat - not necessarily part of the underbelly, but really, if RIAA had a clue what went on there on some servers they'd stop chasing Kazaa. Anyway, besides that, it's also a place to hang out and chat a bit. The vid was linked by one of the folks there who expressed his disgust - and from there on, rumors usually spread like wildfire (the dolt who stole 800 megs of Cisco sourcecode also bragged on IRC about what he did, and posted a 2,5 meg snippet). Unlike standard messengers, in a pretty crowded channel, 70 people or so can see what you write. Even moreso when a channel operator decides to make it the topic. Anyway, it's usually not stuff you're going to find on CNN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Analog Kid Posted May 16, 2004 Members Share Posted May 16, 2004 Originally posted by scubyfan Can't agree or disagree, because I don't know for sure. Surely Daniel Pearl wasn't a mercenary, but they found a reason to justify his killing. What about the Italian contractor that was killed? What about that contractor that was taken hostage and later escaped? Perhaps he would have been killed, too. no, i'm simply speaking for the 4 in Falluja that worked for Blackwater. in reference to the other hostages, frankly im surprised they let so many of them go.I was very relieved they didnt burn the japanese alive, in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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