Members Birdienumnum Posted June 21, 2005 Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by mr.rob Walmart is more or less a retail apparatchik. They control the manufacturers who supply them, push for unrealistic pricing, and what happens is that the manufacturer can either opt to go out of business or they can move their operations to the People's Republic of China. Then where the deceased manufacturing plant with its long gone middle class jobs once were located Wal Mart throws up a store and pay the people $8.00 an hour. Meanwhile China floods the U.S. market with goods so cheap U.S. firms struggle to compete. End result: People are so happy to save $1.00 on some P.O.S that they put themselves in a position where the jobs that allow you to buy a house and raise a family etc. go away. In other words, who gives a {censored} if a TV costs $50 more! At least that way people can make enough to put their kids through college etc. Once again mr.rob sums things up perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SynthBaron Posted June 21, 2005 Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 You want your technology and you don't want to live with the consequenses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted June 21, 2005 Author Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 Communism or capitalism. Choose 1. A mix doesn't work. It disappoints me too, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SynthBaron Posted June 21, 2005 Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by wishfulsinful909 Do you know Walmart almost put Rubbermaid, a giant company in of itself, out of business because they wanted Rubbermaid to cut their prices on their goods? When they didnt', Walmart took ALL their products of their shelves and the company suffered GREATLY. That's odd, because I bought a couple new MADE IN USA Rubbermaid containers there last week. There is nothing wrong with a monopoly if you have an uncorrupt government at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SynthBaron Posted June 21, 2005 Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by urbanscallywag Communism or capitalism. Choose 1. A mix doesn't work. It disappoints me too, but... I'd argue that a world where technology runs our lives you can't have anything BUT a mix. You can't have breaktrhough lifesaving medicines or procedures without someone bitching about not having access to them. You can't have private schooling when the average worker could never afford it because companies know that the government will cover the rest. Bah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BOBA JFET Posted June 21, 2005 Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by urbanscallywag Communism or capitalism. Choose 1. A mix doesn't work. It disappoints me too, but... Well, that's called socialism (according to Marxist theory), and the Scandinavian countries seem to be doing pretty well with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SynthBaron Posted June 21, 2005 Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by BOBA JFET and the Scandinavian countries seem to be doing pretty well with it. Except for the immigration problem, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BOBA JFET Posted June 21, 2005 Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 I'll give you that, but that's not really a function of their socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted June 21, 2005 Author Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by BOBA JFET Well, that's called socialism (according to Marxist theory), and the Scandinavian countries seem to be doing pretty well with it. Socialism is just a stop on the train to communism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SynthBaron Posted June 21, 2005 Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 It is certainly a side effect, though. Same thing here with the Mexicans. They love the mandatory hospital treatment laws and welfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EerieDreamZ Posted June 21, 2005 Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 Great thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted June 21, 2005 Author Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by Smokin-Man Great thread You're gunna die clown! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Phineas Posted June 21, 2005 Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by urbanscallywag Communism or capitalism. Choose 1. A mix doesn't work. It disappoints me too, but... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry, Urb. I don't want it to appear that I'm singling you out. But this is leper lame. Go read your Frederic Bastiat La Loi/The Law. Next, go to www.dailyreckoning.com Start reading: Mogambo Guru aka Richard Daughty, and Bill Bonner Not a long heavy slog. A few hours at most. Still confused? Watch Ferris Bueler's Day Off, Shower Scene at the beginning, nice sermon on "isms." Still want more???? Read up on the Oneida. Zionist Kibbutzim. The peasant classes are the true stalwarts. But why? Your young heart is pure. The world is anything but. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted June 21, 2005 Author Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by Phineas Your young heart is pure. The world is anything but. I agree with that statement. Its unfortunate but true. I stand by my statement, you cannot have a mix. The world is a mix. The world is unstable. There's my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yoozer Posted June 21, 2005 Members Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by SynthBaron There is nothing wrong with a monopoly There generally is, because it leaves all the power to the company instead of the customers. One of the advantages of capitalism is that one's free to compete, and the nice side effect is that you're sort of forced to make a better product than your competitor - otherwise it won't work. A monopoly can cause innovation and striving for efficiency to halt - innovation because there's no competition, and efficiency because people'll pay for it anyway since there's no alternative. if you have an uncorrupt government at the same time. You don't even need a corrupt government - you just need a ruthless company . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BOBA JFET Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by urbanscallywag Socialism is just a stop on the train to communism. I agree (so does Marx). On the journey from Capitalism to Communism, Socialism is a trainstop. It's a mix of both systems. It's also been done quite effectively, contrary to your original assertion. Get your head out of the cold war, man. It's over. We no longer live in fear of a Red planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EerieDreamZ Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by BOBA JFET I agree (so does Marx). On the journey from Capitalism to Communism, Socialism is a trainstop. It's a mix of both systems. It's also been done quite effectively, contrary to your original assertion. Get your head out of the cold war, man. It's over. We no longer live in fear of a Red planet. Do you seriously believe this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted June 22, 2005 Author Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by BOBA JFET I agree (so does Marx). On the journey from Capitalism to Communism, Socialism is a trainstop. It's a mix of both systems. It's also been done quite effectively, contrary to your original assertion. Get your head out of the cold war, man. It's over. We no longer live in fear of a Red planet. The world as a whole has to step into socialism for it to be considered a success, and the same with communism. If everyone doesn't play the game's no fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SynthBaron Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by BOBA JFET We no longer live in fear of a Red planet. That's because They have done such a "good" job of turning it pink(o). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BOBA JFET Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by SynthBaron It is certainly a side effect, though. Same thing here with the Mexicans. They love the mandatory hospital treatment laws and welfare. Well, they're sensible people. I love those things, too (although I don't directly benefit from them). The fact the USA has played it's part in ensuring that Mexicans in general remain firmly lodged in the lower classes means that they're more likely to be recipients of these programs, but that shouldn't be taken to mean that they are taking advantage of the system by default. Virtually every Mexican (or Guatamalan, etc.) I've met has been quite willing to work and earn their own keep. I'm sure there are some that aren't, there are some native-born caucasian Americans who also take advantage of the system, and I'd hazard to guess that it's probably porportionally a larger amount when adjusted for income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SynthBaron Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by Yoozer You don't even need a corrupt government - you just need a ruthless company . The two go hand-in-hand. You cannot have ruthless corporations without renting politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BOBA JFET Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by urbanscallywag The world as a whole has to step into socialism for it to be considered a success, and the same with communism. If everyone doesn't play the game's no fun. I'm not really getting you there. Could you elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted June 22, 2005 Author Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by SynthBaron The two go hand-in-hand. You cannot have ruthless corporations without renting politicians. I see both sides of the coin. You COULD have a company that is ruthless, but is kept in check by a strong government; this probably doesn't happen in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BOBA JFET Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by Smokin-Man Do you seriously believe this? Why shouldn't I? By definition, socialism *is* a mix of capitalist and communist ideals, and the countries that identify themselves as socialist exemplify these ideals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SynthBaron Posted June 22, 2005 Members Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by BOBA JFET Well, they're sensible people. I love those things, too (although I don't directly benefit from them). The fact the USA has played it's part in ensuring that Mexicans in general remain firmly lodged in the lower classes means that they're more likely to be recipients of these programs, but that shouldn't be taken to mean that they are taking advantage of the system by default. Virtually every Mexican (or Guatamalan, etc.) I've met has been quite willing to work and earn their own keep. I'm sure there are some that aren't, there are some native-born caucasian Americans who also take advantage of the system, and I'd hazard to guess that it's probably porportionally a larger amount when adjusted for income. I'm just saying that our socialist policies ENCOURAGE them to take advantage of it. I don't blame them for doing so, I blame politicians garnering for votes. I'd be happy to have them here if they'd go though normal immigration channels. Lower classes? Hmm, I don't know that I'd be labling a different way of life necessarily as a "lower class". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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