808 Boom

[skuller]

Hello,

 

Was curious if any of you use 808-style (or similar) bass drops in a live situation? What samples do you use for the best 'boom', live? Where did you obtain them?

 

Thanks,

[r33k]

http://www.canadianmusicartists.com/kickdrum_samples.html

 

Keep in mind that the 808 kick drum did not drop like that. It stayed a constant frequency throughout its decay. The huge drop kicks that you are referring to may have been completely synthesized or based upon a modified 808 kick sample. FYI.

 

If you don't like the ones linked to above and want to try synthesizing your own, Stomper is a good freeware app for that purpose.

[Square]

Lurking sound man here.

 

I ran sound for a band this past fall that used an 808 drop live. It was used more for effect than a regular part of the music. The first time it hit I snapped my head over to look at my amp racks (I was running monitors at the time) The amps were fine, but man was it LOUD! My partner (who was at FOH) said the band's eniginer's reaction when it hit was "Oh...HELL YEAH!" It was an outdoor show and I didn't expect it to hit as hard as it did. It definitely had the effect the band was looking for.

 

Sorry I can't help you with what they used to generate it.

[Neural Disorder]

A good free VST I have used for various 'Booms' is ERSdrums: http://www.bostreammail.net/ers/ersdrums.html

 

As far a live implementation, you could trigger it off a laptop or sample it and play it back.

[StompBoxLover]

Hello, Was curious if any of you use 808-style (or similar) bass drops in a live situation? What samples do you use for the best 'boom', live? Where did you obtain them? Thanks,

 

to compliment the bass drop you'll also need

 

the 808 cowbell

 

another 808 cowbell (you can never have too many cowbells)

 

a crappy version of JBs funky drummer loop, preferably compressed beyond death and repeatedly encoded as .mp3 and .rm

 

[Paolo Di Nicolantonio]

I got a TR-808 last year, and there's nothing quite like the real thing, I suppose - but the best samples of the "808 boom kick drum" I've found so far are in the original Roland library for the S-series samplers, and the old Zero-G Datafile sample CDs.

 

And you probably already know that there is a complete set of TR-808 samples floating on the web - with samples taken at different knob settings for each sound.

[renegadebliss]

 

And you probably already know that there is a complete set of TR-808 samples floating on the web - with samples taken at different knob settings for each sound.

 

 

 

 

Here you go:

 

http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Roland/TR-808/samples/TR808all.zip

 

 

Here's the explaination of what is included in the zip:

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Michael Fischer

 

of

 

T E C H N O P O L I S

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Presents...

 

Roland TR-808 Rhythm Composer

Sound Sample Set 1.0.0 (09/08/94)

 

The Roland TR-808 (popularly known as the "808") is, perhaps, the most

popular analogue electronic drum machine of all time. Since its debut

in 1982, it has been the drum machine used the most by dance, pop, rap,

and rhythm and blues artists to produce the drum rhythm tracks for their

songs. (The famous cowbell sound at the beginning of Whitney Houston's

"I Wanna' Dance with Somebody", or the famous bass drum sound that

vibrates the ground when a car playing loud rap music drives by) Without

a doubt, the Roland TR-808 Rhythm Composer is a "classic beat box".

 

In recent years, many electronic musical instrument companies (Roland

and many others...) and studio engineer types have attempted to capture

its timeless sound through the use of sampling. This has however,

proven to be an often disappointing endeavour, due the the analogue

nature of the "808". Because the "808" is a truly "analogue" drum

machine, with very many (22 to be exact) knobs for the settings for its

drum sounds, sampling the unit often yields sample sets which are too

discrete (i.e. too "static" and too "limited" in variation) and simply

do not do justice to the wide sound range the "808" can produce. As a

result, people still, to this day, are in hot pursuit of real "808"'s,

and its U.S. dollar resale value today ($250 - $1,000) is often not too

far off from its U.S. dollar retail price at its introduction more than

a decade ago ($1,000).

 

I sincerely believe I have made major progress in narrowing the

difference between owning a real "808" and owning samples of one. When

put to proper use, these samples can be considered better than using a

real "808". Unlike a real "808", with these samples one can have the

certain drum sounds playing simultaneously that cannot do so on a real

"808", (Hand Claps and Maracas, for example.) as well as scale the

velocities of the sounds, and even apply grooves and timing to the beat

in a manner much more sophisticated and clearly beyond the capabilities

of a real "808". With the right sampler, these "808" samples can, for

all practical purposes, make a real "808" obsolete. I feel these samples

are of higher quality than those found in current commercial drum

machines. I feel these "808" samples are of higher quality than any

currently offered by commercial sample vendors. Quite frankly, I feel

this is the best overall sound sample set of the TR-808 to date. And

best of all, and very unlike many of the "competiting" samples, these

samples are ABSOLUTELY FREE!

 

What I have attempted to do is create a high quality sound sample set of

the "808" that is so comprehensive in sample range, that even the

"analogue purist" (the types who are actively pursing real "808"'s still

today...) would be satisfied. I have, through very time consuming,

painstaking sampling and sample editing work, using professional grade

equipment, sampled the "808" at five (see "FILENAME INFO" near the end

of this text file...) uniformly spaced positions for each sound modifier

knob. ("LEVEL" being the only exception---as I always kept "LEVEL" at

full to maintain the best signal to noise ratio.) As a result, this

rather comprehensive "808" sound sample set has the following :

 

25 Bass Drum sounds

25 Snare Drum sounds

5 Low Tom sounds

5 Mid Tom sounds

5 Hi Tom sounds

5 Low Conga sounds

5 Mid Conga sounds

5 Hi Conga sounds

1 Rim Shot sound

1 Claves sound

1 Hand Clap sound

1 Maracas sound

1 Cow Bell sound

25 Cymbal sounds

5 Open Hi Hat sounds

1 Closed Hi Hat sound

 

...making for a grand total of 116 sound samples of the Roland TR-808

Rhythm Composer!

 

These samples were taken _DIRECTLY_ from a Roland TR-808 Rhythm Composer

(SERIAL NO. 103852). They are _NOT_ samples of samples (i.e. sampled

from a recent drum machine, such as the Boss DR-660, Roland R-8,

R-8MkII, etc...) In other words, these samples were taken from a REAL

TR-808. All samples were recorded from the individual sound outputs (I

did NOT use the "HI" or "LO" "LEVEL" "MASTER OUT"puts!). While being

recorded, each sound (on the TR-808) was at highest volume level (with

all other volume levels set to the lowest possible setting), and the

master volume (on the TR-808) was always at the lowest setting. All

samples were made using SoundEdit 16 1.0.0 on a Macintosh Quadra 660AV.

 

EACH and EVERY sample is at 16-Bit, 44.1kHz resolution and was CAREFULLY

generated, sampled, selected (I recorded many hits of the same

sound, and picked the one that I felt best represented the average of

that particular sound) and edited.

 

Please enjoy this timeless sample set, and feel free to send me your

comments (positive or negative).

 

Most Sincerely,

 

Michael Fischer

Technopolis

(810) 650-6396

fischer1@student.msu.edu

 

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FILENAME INFO

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Bass Drum sounds start with "BD".

Snare Drum sounds start with "SD".

Low Tom sounds start with "LT".

Mid Tom sounds start with "MT".

Hi Tom sounds start with "HT".

Low Conga sounds start with "LC".

Mid Conga sounds start with "MC".

Hi Conga sounds start with "HC".

Rim Shot sound starts with "RS".

Claves sounds starts with "CL".

Hand Clap sound starts with "CP".

Maracas sound starts with "MA".

Cowbell sound starts with "CB".

Cymbal sounds start with "CY".

Open Hi Hat sounds start with "OH".

Closed Hi Hat sound starts with "CH".

 

These two letter abbreviations which determine what the filename begins

with are the exact ones used to abbreviate the sound names on the actual

TR-808 instrument select dial.

 

The "LEVEL" knob does not count as a knob in filenames, as it

was always at the maximum setting (to maintain the highest signal to

noise ratio.)

 

On the TR-808, each knob involved in the

composition/generation/synthesis of a particular drum sound has 11

uniformly spaced position marks on it (the positions on the dials are

not numbered, however...and hopefully the synthesis variable they

control is linearly distributed with respect to the knob position!) I

consider these 11 marks to be "0" through "10". Due to the fact that

the "0" position and the "10" position are the minimum (most

counter-clockwise) and maximum (most clockwise) positions, one may

consider "0" to be the minimum setting and "10" to be the maximum

setting. I decided to use dial positions "0" (minimum), "2.5", "5.0"

(middle), "7.5" and "10.0" (maximum) for my samples. As a result, I

decided upon the following naming convention :

 

"00." would be a file whose first (and only,

in this case) knob was set to 0.0 (or the minimum position).

 

"25." would be a file whose first (and only,

in this case) knob was set to 2.5.

 

"50." would be a file whose first (and only,

in this case) knob was set to 5.0 (or the middle position).

 

"75." would be a file whose first (and only,

in this case) knob was set to 7.5.

 

"10." would be a file whose first (and only,

in this case) knob was set to 10.0 (or the maximum position). It does

NOT mean the knob was set to 1.0!

 

Example : Low Tom with "TUNING" knob set to middle position would be

"LT50.". If the file happened to be a ".WAV" ("WAVE")

file, the name would be "LT50.WAV".

 

For sounds which had TWO knobs, such as the Bass Drum, Snare Drum, and

Cymbal...

 

The naming convention is the same, but with two additional setting

position numbers after the first two...

 

Example : Bass Drum with "TUNING" knob set between the minimum and

middle position and "DECAY" set halfway between the middle and maximum

position would be "BD2575.". If the file happened to be

a ".WAV" ("WAVE") file, the name would be "BD2575.WAV".

 

Once again, this naming convention was used for ALL the samples.

 

Of importance is the following :

 

* In filenames, "TONE" and "TUNING" come before "DECAY" and "SNAPPY".

 

Once again, please enjoy, and please do send me feedback on what you

think of these samples.

 

Sincerely,

 

Michael Fischer

Technopolis

(810) 650-6396

fischer1@student.msu.edu

 

 

 

 

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Cheers,

Dave

[joemad9]

To get that drop kick boom (like on Ying Yang Twins "Wait") I used a Roland Juno 60. I was just messing around with the bass sounds one day and bam it happened. I quickly sampled it. You can find it as part of the 808 collection. Just type "the 808 collection" into google to find it.

 

There's also over 100 samples from my 808 there too