Members soundwave106 Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 Reminds me when I destroyed a sound system years ago playing bass sounds with a Jupiter 4. Turned up the resonance slider to enjoy the lovely increase of bass vibrations and then... Whooops. No sound anymore. Some white smoke coming out from the sound system amplifier. All power output transistors burned. So... My guess is the Jupiter 4 didn't use attenuation either. Yeah, Roland synths typically *do not* attenuate with increased resonance. Which helps them get known for their squelchiness. Moog-style filters seem to be most guilty of attenuation with resonance, though I don't know if this is true of the new wave of Moogs. If I remember right the older ones had this issue. I do know that the Waldorf Pulse, which if I remember right copied their ladder design from the Moogs, has this issue big-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrcpro Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 My JP-6 filters attenuate a lot. A good quality in BP mode. Really makes this filter sing.My P-600 practically not at all. In the digital realm, on Motifs there is an 18 option... 18s... that retains all fundamental at high resonance settings. It's a killer filter for bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted October 14, 2008 Members Share Posted October 14, 2008 This thread is representative of why I continue to hang out here. Keep larnin' me, folks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr.Innovation Posted October 14, 2008 Members Share Posted October 14, 2008 Hey, Guys UrbanScallywagDon SolarisSizzlemeistergirevikmrcprosoundwave106Electric PuppyAeonJuno6derek...... Could I get some of your opinions, thoughts on some new patches/multi voiced combinations??? If you have a kind moment I'd like it if you all could pop in and take a look, see what you think? http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2123714&goto=newpost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kpatz Posted October 14, 2008 Members Share Posted October 14, 2008 My JP-6 filters attenuate a lot. A good quality in BP mode. Really makes this filter sing.The MKS-80's filters do too. You lose a lot of that whoomp when you add resonance. It is good if you're looking for more of a BP filter effect, but not so good if you want bass and resonance at higher than bass frequencies.In the digital realm, on Motifs there is an 18 option... 18s... that retains all fundamental at high resonance settings. It's a killer filter for bass.I'll have to try that filter sometime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrcpro Posted October 14, 2008 Members Share Posted October 14, 2008 Kpatz 18"s" is a different thing on a Motif altogether than the other lowpass filters. If you just switch to it you won't get anything from it. All other Yamaha lowpass filters have their cutoff line up with waveform fundamental at 104 with keytrack at 100%. 18"s" lines up somewhere in the 20s! So you really have to run cutoff down for it to kick in. But it's a very nice filter and I'm glad it's there. Knowing the number where filter cutoff frequency and waveform fundamental line up at 100% keytrack (or C4 with no keytrack) is very helpful when dealing with digital filters. The number on all Rolands I have (JV, XP, FA) is 63 BTW. That makes sense... half the cutoff range. I don't know where Yamaha came up with 104. Or 28 ( I think that's it on 18s.) edit: Dr. Innovation I'll try a listen later when I have some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr.Innovation Posted October 14, 2008 Members Share Posted October 14, 2008 Kpatz 18"s" is a different thing on a Motif altogether than the other lowpass filters. If you just switch to it you won't get anything from it. All other Yamaha lowpass filters have their cutoff line up with waveform fundamental at 104 with keytrack at 100%. 18"s" lines up somewhere in the 20s! So you really have to run cutoff down for it to kick in. But it's a very nice filter and I'm glad it's there. Knowing the number where filter cutoff frequency and waveform fundamental line up at 100% keytrack (or C4 with no keytrack) is very helpful when dealing with digital filters. The number on all Rolands I have (JV, XP, FA) is 63 BTW. That makes sense... half the cutoff range. I don't know where Yamaha came up with 104. Or 28 ( I think that's it on 18s.)edit: Dr. Innovation I'll try a listen later when I have some time. No prob:thu: I didn't mean to thread jack but all of the cats were in here so I thought I'd try.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kpatz Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 Knowing the number where filter cutoff frequency and waveform fundamental line up at 100% keytrack (or C4 with no keytrack) is very helpful when dealing with digital filters...That's good info to have. Of course, when you take other factors into account, such as filter EG level, velocity tracking, etc. it will change what that "number" ends up being on a given patch. A good way to find where your filter cutoff lines up with waveform fundamental is to select a sine waveform (or as close to a sine as you can get on your synth, use a triangle or square if that's all you got), then crank the resonance up high (but below self oscillation if your filter has it), and sweep the cutoff until you get the strongest signal. If your filter keytracking isn't a percentage, and are looking for 100%, you would tune the filter cutoff to C4 (or wherever your synth's keytracking midpoint is--the note where cutoff doesn't change as you sweep the keytracking) and then tune the keytracking to tune the filter at the upper and lower octaves. One time I attempted to tune the filter on a Polysix to play in tune across the keyboard in self oscillation. It wasn't easy, as the filters were a lot driftier than the VCOs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrcpro Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 Yeah my numbers are assuming that filter cutoff isn't being modulated by anything other than keytrack. Or nothing at all if C4 is used as reference. The beauty of digital filters is their precision. Or their fault is their precision to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dereksljuka Posted October 16, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 Should I buy an SH-2 from Japan that had its capacitors replaced with brand new ones or would it be better to get one with its original capacitors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Don Solaris Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dereksljuka Posted October 16, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 If you look carefully, that wasn't a yes or no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Diametro Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Don Solaris Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 Yes! It's a kind of magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Don Solaris Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 Should I buy an SH-2 from Japan that had its capacitors replaced with brand new ones or would it be better to get one with its original capacitors? Whichever is cheaper. You can always replace caps... Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members swardle Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 Devoting a thread to Don Solaris...what a terrible idea!! Now he is going to spread his Synth Demonitry all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Don Solaris Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 Devoting a thread to Don Solaris...what a terrible idea!!Now he is going to spread his Synth Demonitry all over the place. Now, i'm going to give you three simple rules:Now, i want you to return to base and seal it tight. Orders are for this base to be sealed tight, and that's what I mean to do, seal it tight !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dereksljuka Posted October 17, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 17, 2008 Welcome back to this thread! Next I will be talking about envelope generators! Is there any truth to this claim? (found here) Does the 09 share the same The SH-09 has a pretty good attack but you won't get the same punchy bass sounds out of it. I assumed that if anything, the SH-09 and SH-2 would have faster attack / punchier sounds than the 101 because they have discrete hardware envelope generators. Perhaps it's time for a more scientific and objective comparison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sizzlemeister Posted October 17, 2008 Members Share Posted October 17, 2008 I assumed that if anything, the SH-09 and SH-2 would have faster attack / punchier sounds than the 101 because they have discrete hardware envelope generators. Perhaps it's time for a more scientific and objective comparison? If you read further on in that page someone disputes the differences in sound. It's totally subjective. Looking at the SH2 service manual, its envelope is rated at (minimum values) A 1ms, D 2ms, R 2ms. The SH101 is rated at A 1.5ms, D 2ms, R 2ms. So, technically, you could say the envelope for the the SH2 is more punchy than the SH101 by .5 ms. How that translates into reality for each individual unit is a different story. Roland envelopes, with only a few exceptions, are generally known for their snappiness. I wouldn't waste time splitting hairs over something you're unlikely to notice from the envelopes. The VCOs and filters are another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members swardle Posted October 17, 2008 Members Share Posted October 17, 2008 Now, i'm going to give you three simple rules:TRUST NO ONE, DESPITE HIS HIS RANK OR UNIFORM IS UNLESS HE IS KNOWN TO YOU PERSONALLY!I WANT ALL PRIVATELY OWNED RADIOS TO BE IMMEDIATELY IMPOUNDED AS THEY MIGHT BE USED TO ISSUE INSTRUCTIONS TO SABOTEURS!NOW LAST, AND POSSIBLY THE MOST IMPORTANT. ANYONE OR ANYTHING THAT APPROACHES WITHIN 200 YARDS OF THE PERIMETER OF THE BASE IS TO BE FIRED UPON!Now, i want you to return to base and seal it tight. Orders are for this base to be sealed tight, and that's what I mean to do, seal it tight !!! HOW DARE YOU speak to me in such a manner!!! That's INSULTATION!! Now I want you to turn off your computer and go to bed. It's time for you to put away ALL of that synth porn you stole off of Ebay and go find a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pighood Posted October 17, 2008 Members Share Posted October 17, 2008 I raff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Don Solaris Posted October 17, 2008 Members Share Posted October 17, 2008 Does the 09 share the same >rapid attack as its plastic brother [the SH-101]? The SH-09 has a pretty good attack but you won't get the same punchy bass sounds out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Don Solaris Posted October 17, 2008 Members Share Posted October 17, 2008 HOW DARE YOU speak to me in such a manner!!! That's INSULTATION!!Now I want you to turn off your computer and go to bed. It's time for you to put away ALL of that synth porn you stole off of Ebay and go find a job. Tell you what BUDDY! I'm sick of communist propaganda, communist infiltration and the international communist conspiracy. I think it's about time you sell off your crapsoft arsenal and get yourself a fine decent American synth, such as Alesis Andromeda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wetwareinterface Posted October 17, 2008 Members Share Posted October 17, 2008 I think the ESQ doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members swardle Posted October 17, 2008 Members Share Posted October 17, 2008 Tell you what BUDDY! I'm sick of communist propaganda, communist infiltration and the international communist conspiracy. I think it's about time you sell off your crapsoft arsenal and get yourself a fine decent American synth, such as Alesis Andromeda. Now you listen to me and you listen GOOD!! Your pile of stolen, drug-bought synths don't mean NOTHING to me, MISTER!!! And they aren't going to help you when you are down in the boiling pits, BOY!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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