Members guitarist17 Posted September 25, 2005 Members Share Posted September 25, 2005 Sounds very very mesa-ish to me, maybe I'm completely wrong but it sounds very boogieish to me. maybe a triaxis? Do you guys know? It's most definetly not a recto, I can almost guarentee that. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Toshiro Posted September 26, 2005 Members Share Posted September 26, 2005 Pretty sure it's a Triaxis, but not 100%. From watching the "Next In Line" vid, looks like Loomis had an Ibanez RG/JPM? and Owens was playing one of those weird Ibanez 540P-II Skolnick up-side-down looking things. lol Other than that, I have no clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bstaley Posted September 26, 2005 Members Share Posted September 26, 2005 Triaxis/2:90 was used on Dreaming Neon Black. A Mesa was used on Politics but I forget which one (maybe MKIII). I remember Neil Kernon (producer) talking about recording those CD's a few years back on the Nevermore forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Somewhere_Audio Posted September 26, 2005 Members Share Posted September 26, 2005 I think they used a Mesa boogie mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Iceblade Posted October 19, 2005 Members Share Posted October 19, 2005 Copied directly from my original question over at Neil's forum: Nevermore (Self Titled): Solid State Head Unit (Exact Model Unknown - Owned by Jeff at the Time)Unknown 4X12 Cab with Celestion Speakers (Exact Model Unkown) There was a separate preamp/power amp setup that Jeff used for the two sets of demos. I'm not sure what the preamp was but the power amp was an old Peavey. I saw one the other day and it jogged my memory. Hello Neil...Might the Pre-amp unknown here be a Digitech Valve FX. (chrome with Blue screen,they have a 12ax7 tube in them along with an array of effects) He used it on tour for POE. With a Peavey cs-800 poweramp and a Carvin Cabinet. With a Jackson V at the time. I know Jeff still haves the Valve FX for tooling around. I still have never seen him play life with a POD!!! NK: Yes it sounds like you've hit the nail on the head here. Glad someone knows what it was... In Memory EP: The In Memory EP was done at the same time as POE, so the exact same setup was used. Politics of Ecstacy: Mesa Boogie Mark IV Head UnitMarshall 1960B 4X12 Cab (w/Celestion G12T-75 Speakers) Dreaming Neon Black: Mesa Boogie Triaxis PreampMesa Boogie 2:90 Simul-Class Power AmpMarshall 1960BV 4X12 Cab (w/Celestion Vintage 30 Speakers) On all the albums with Neil Kernon, there were 4 tracks of rhythm recorded, and primarily a Shure SM-57 or Sennheiser 421 was used. Hmm...we tried a REALLY old Marshall 4x12 cabinet for DNB that lives at Sonic Ranch - previously Village Productions. (it wasn't available at the time that we did POE). I do remember the studio owner agonising over whether or not we would be driving it too hard, and its pristine condition was in some jeopardy. As a result I believe we may have ended up using a Mesa Boogie cab with armourplate for gtrs on that album. I do know that we rented the needed Triaxis/90-90 rig from a local chap, and I think he also brought down his cab as well, which I think I felt more comfortable about using as opposed to the delicately vintage Marshall one. DEAD HEART IN A DEAD WORLD: Custom Built 7 string guitars (with a .80 gauge low B string!) loaded with EMG 707 pickups. The guitars were routed into a Ibanez TS-9 Tube Screamer that was used as a signal boost. The settings on the TS-9 were: Drive: 9 O'ClockTone: 10 O'ClockLevel: 12 O'Clock This was fed into the amp that was used on all of the rhythm and leads. The amp used was a Mesa Boogie (2 Channel) Dual Rectifier that was straight from the box. The Mesa Recto was routed into a Marshall 1960B 4X12 Cab with the stock G12T-75 Celestions they have. Settings on the Mesa Recto were: Silicon Diode SettingBold SettingRed (Modern) Channel Treble: 11.30Mids: 10 O'ClockBass: 11.30Gain: 12:30Presence: 12.30Master: 10 O'Clock There were 4 tracks of rhythm, with 2 tracks being panned 100% left and right, and the other set being panned 80% left and right. There was no compression, limiting, etc...only a slight touch of EQ used. Two Shure SM-57's were used for recording, one on the center of the cone about an inch away. This was the approximate's denoted by Andy Sneap. ENEMIES OF REALITY: 7 String guitars loaded with EMG 707 pickupsIbanez Tube Screamer TS-9 ( Similar to Above)Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier Hope that helps! Regs,Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted October 19, 2005 Members Share Posted October 19, 2005 Thanks Jeff...wow, that doesn't sound like a Mark IV at all. I always thought that was a Recto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AlexWade Posted October 19, 2005 Members Share Posted October 19, 2005 .80 GAUGE FOR DROP B????? that's like a freakin bass string Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Megadeth7684 Posted October 19, 2005 Members Share Posted October 19, 2005 Jesus, 80 gauge on the low B, that's absurd. Imagine how much you would have to file down the nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Iceblade Posted October 19, 2005 Members Share Posted October 19, 2005 It's not just LIKE a bass string.. it IS a bass string that he uses, IIRC. I think his guitar tech files the nut to widen it or he has custom nuts (huh huh) made to accommodate the larger gauge. Later, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Inearthed Posted October 19, 2005 Members Share Posted October 19, 2005 One of my buddies took 4 or 5 lessons from Jeff and talked to him about his guitar setup. I remember him saying that when Jeff was using the ESP H-307's he had to drill the string hole bigger in the tuning peg on his low B, but .80 seems a little bit bigger than the low string I remember him using. I'll check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brooks Posted October 19, 2005 Members Share Posted October 19, 2005 Pretty sure he uses a .70 B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Inearthed Posted October 19, 2005 Members Share Posted October 19, 2005 Originally posted by Brooks Pretty sure he uses a .70 B That sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Iceblade Posted October 19, 2005 Members Share Posted October 19, 2005 I was quoting from Andy Sneap himself for DHIADW, bro. Maybe he got it wrong, but I sincerely doubt it. Jeff might have changed to the "lighter" 0.70 now, but I think he was using the ol' telephone cable 0.80 then. Later, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Inearthed Posted October 19, 2005 Members Share Posted October 19, 2005 Originally posted by Iceblade I was quoting from Andy Sneap himself for DHIADW, bro. Maybe he got it wrong, but I sincerely doubt it. Jeff might have changed to the "lighter" 0.70 now, but I think he was using the ol' telephone cable 0.80 then. Later, Jeff Okay.. But we're talking about what he uses now. Jeff used his Custom 7 stringer but during that tour he used a ESP H-307, so, yah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Inearthed Posted October 19, 2005 Members Share Posted October 19, 2005 Yeah Jeff uses Light Top Heavy Bottom stringsets with an added 70. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Iceblade Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Ok, cool. We're on the same page then. All is well. Regs, Jeff NP: This Godless Endeavor m/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarist17 Posted October 20, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Damn thats a markIV on the politics of xtc? Crazy sick tone!! Dreaming neon black is just as insane too. I've never been able to get a good sound out of a triaxis though, maybe I just don't know how to EQ it. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Iceblade Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Well, I'm doing my damndedest to do that as well, guitarist. I'm the admin for the Triaxis group, but I'll be damned if I have been able to find the tone I am looking for. You'd think with my all Mesa path, I'd at least be "close". But nope... not yet. I'm thinking it's an EQ thing and that I may add an MXR M-108 to the mix to see if I can dial something in that works for me. The fact that Neil says he loves the thing and can always find the tone he is looking for speaks either to the fact that I have tin ears, or just don't know the right way to mic the damn thing. I'd love to get a preset that Loomis used during that recording session, but alas, Neil doesn't even know what mode on the TA was used, let alone any values. Oh well. Later,Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Craggan Posted November 18, 2005 Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 Back in the Sanctuary Days .. I went to a couple of their practices, my Ex wife and her friend were buds with Jim and Wally. Lenny had JCM800 and a tube screamer. SOunded Brutal, .. and Sean I think was his name had same without a Tube Screamer. I remember Jim always jokin about the Tube Screamer breaking, .. He kept having to rebuild it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hotcakes Posted November 18, 2005 Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 I definitely prefer his Mark IV sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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