Members ShakaCthulu Posted April 6, 2009 Members Share Posted April 6, 2009 Was thinking about this at work. I've uploaded some samples from my very much missed Korg Mono/Poly to give you an idea what I'm talking about. I love SSM filters and don't know why the designs aren't used more in modern analogs. http://share.ovi.com/media/lhm1138.public/lhm1138.10015http://share.ovi.com/media/lhm1138.public/lhm1138.10020http://share.ovi.com/media/lhm1138.public/lhm1138.10017http://share.ovi.com/media/lhm1138.public/lhm1138.10021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Awake77 Posted April 6, 2009 Members Share Posted April 6, 2009 Was thinking about this at work. I've uploaded some samples from my very much missed Korg Mono/Poly to give you an idea what I'm talking about. I love SSM filters and don't know why the designs aren't used more in modern analogs. http://share.ovi.com/media/lhm1138.public/lhm1138.10015http://share.ovi.com/media/lhm1138.public/lhm1138.10020http://share.ovi.com/media/lhm1138.public/lhm1138.10017http://share.ovi.com/media/lhm1138.public/lhm1138.10021 Korg Analog Collection maybe? http://www.kvraudio.com/news/6595.html Why did you get rid of the Mono/Poly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundxplorer Posted April 6, 2009 Members Share Posted April 6, 2009 I think the Nord Lead/2/2X filter is pretty much modeled after an SSM. I took some patches on my Nord Lead 1, opened the filter wide then ran it through a Doepfer A105 SSM filter and it sounded very similar. High Res settings will sound better on a real SSM chip though, and that has always been a shortcoming with any VA or softsynth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evildragon Posted April 6, 2009 Members Share Posted April 6, 2009 Don Solaris would have to say a lot about KLCA and its faithfulness regarding the emulations, as he tried it and actually owns KLCA in 3D Then again, he's an analog purist XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ShakaCthulu Posted April 6, 2009 Author Members Share Posted April 6, 2009 Korg Analog Collection maybe?http://www.kvraudio.com/news/6595.htmlWhy did you get rid of the Mono/Poly? Stupidity. This was before I knew much about how important the individual components are to a synth's sound. I foolishly thought an ATC-quad could get me most of those sounds. Not even close. Not to mention the wondeful polymode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Awake77 Posted April 7, 2009 Members Share Posted April 7, 2009 Stupidity. This was before I knew much about how important the individual components are to a synth's sound. I foolishly thought an ATC-quad could get me most of those sounds. Not even close. Not to mention the wondeful polymode. Ah that sucks man...I've always wanted a Mono/Poly myself. While certainly not cheap, they seem to sell for ~$750 used which isnt heinously expensive compared to other vintage analogs. Have you checked out the Korg VSTi version? I've never used it but it seems to get good reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teoman Posted April 7, 2009 Members Share Posted April 7, 2009 I think the Nord Lead/2/2X filter is pretty much modeled after an SSM. I took some patches on my Nord Lead 1, opened the filter wide then ran it through a Doepfer A105 SSM filter and it sounded very similar. High Res settings will sound better on a real SSM chip though, and that has always been a shortcoming with any VA or softsynth. I have to agree with you on this. Today, after reading your comment about Nord 2X/SSM similarity I fired up my Trident. The resonance character on the 2X really seem to be borrowed from SSM filters. Good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mate_stubb Posted April 7, 2009 Members Share Posted April 7, 2009 The Bowen Solaris has an SSM emulation, doesn't it? Also, there is the MOTM-440 filter. It's modular, and it's hardware, but it is an actual recreation of the internal transconductance cells in the SSM 2040, using external hardware. It sounds magnificent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mate_stubb Posted April 7, 2009 Members Share Posted April 7, 2009 Solaris demo w/ SSM emulation here:[YOUTUBE]KKu8-r0xa_0[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aeon Posted April 8, 2009 Members Share Posted April 8, 2009 Also, there is the MOTM-440 filter. It's modular, and it's hardware, but it is an actual recreation of the internal transconductance cells in the SSM 2040, using external hardware. It sounds magnificent. You, Sir, have a remarkable talent for understatement, cheers, Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ckett Posted April 8, 2009 Members Share Posted April 8, 2009 Maybe the OPX VSTi? Closest sounding synth i have heard to an Oberheim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundxplorer Posted April 8, 2009 Members Share Posted April 8, 2009 Also, there is the MOTM-440 filter. If we're now talking real analog, there is also the Mattson Mini Modular. Like the MOTM 440, the MMM filter is a recreation of the SSM 2040. MMM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundxplorer Posted April 8, 2009 Members Share Posted April 8, 2009 Maybe the OPX VSTi? Closest sounding synth i have heard to an Oberheim. Oberheim used CEM chips. Kinda similar, kinda different depending on how picky your ears are. I have OP-X though, and it does sound really nice. I actually sold my Nord Lead because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Woody4 Posted April 8, 2009 Members Share Posted April 8, 2009 Oberheim used CEM chips. Kinda similar, kinda different depending on how picky your ears are. I have OP-X though, and it does sound really nice. I actually sold my Nord Lead because of it. no:cop: not all specially those that have owned 4 v, 8 v, ob-x, early ob-1? would disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ShakaCthulu Posted April 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted April 8, 2009 I love the NL2. Can't really get the same sound, though there are some similar characteristics. It's looking like a small modular rack with some filter units is my best option. I'm pleased I'm not alone in my love of SSM. Why do you guys think SSM designs aren't used more, like in DSI stuff? Is it a cost/licensing thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundxplorer Posted April 8, 2009 Members Share Posted April 8, 2009 no:cop: not allspecially those that have owned 4 v, 8 v, ob-x, early ob-1?would disagree My bad, didn't realize that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members augerinn Posted April 8, 2009 Members Share Posted April 8, 2009 no:cop: not allspecially those that have owned 4 v, 8 v, ob-x, early ob-1?would disagree For those of use who haven't owned a 4 v, 8 v, ob-x, or early ob-1 (Matrix 1000 is as close as I get), OP-X is a fully acceptable alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mate_stubb Posted April 8, 2009 Members Share Posted April 8, 2009 I'm pleased I'm not alone in my love of SSM. Why do you guys think SSM designs aren't used more, like in DSI stuff? Is it a cost/licensing thing? The original SSM gave way to the CEM because it was more susceptible to being accidentally destroyed by static electricity. Manufacturers switched over to CEM wholesale because they were more reliable. Nobody ever thought that they sounded better though. I used to have tubes and tubes of the 20XX series SSMs that I used to build an early 8 voice poly synth, using a synth-on-a card design that E-MU provided. They really were marvelous sounding. Wish I still had this synth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AfroRouge Posted April 8, 2009 Members Share Posted April 8, 2009 A gorgeous thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mate_stubb Posted April 8, 2009 Members Share Posted April 8, 2009 Imagine an 8 voice SEM system, but with SSMs instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundxplorer Posted April 8, 2009 Members Share Posted April 8, 2009 Imagine an 8 voice SEM system, but with SSMs instead. Wait...according to Woody above, the 4-Voice (SEMs) did use SSM chips. I'm confused. I always thought the SEMs were discrete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mate_stubb Posted April 8, 2009 Members Share Posted April 8, 2009 I think he makes the opposite point, that those oberheims did not use CEMs. Yes, the SEM was discrete and sounded nothin' like SSMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Real MC Posted April 8, 2009 Members Share Posted April 8, 2009 I used to have tubes and tubes of the 20XX series SSMs that I used to build an early 8 voice poly synth, using a synth-on-a card design that E-MU provided. They really were marvelous sounding. Wish I still had this synth. The SSM204x filters were very good sounding VCFs. One of my favorites. The CEM-equipped rev3 Prophet-5 stayed in tune better but the filters just did not measure up to the SSM2040s used in earlier revs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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