why did you sell your mopho?

[llamastorm]

(1) It was horribly frustrating to use without a computer in almost every way imanaginable

(2) The knobs were so fine grained you could not tweak them in real-time and have the degree of fun with them you can have with, say, a Moog.

(3) The sound wasn't as great as I hoped it would be, I had recently sold a Moog LP and missed the sound from that, and this did not fill in the gaps.

[r05c03]

(1) It was horribly frustrating to use without a computer in almost every way imanaginable (2) The knobs were so fine grained you could not tweak them in real-time and have the degree of fun with them you can have with, say, a Moog. (3) The sound wasn't as great as I hoped it would be, I had recently sold a Moog LP and missed the sound from that, and this did not fill in the gaps.

 

 

Hard to beat the quick tweakability of the LP, I would say.

 

I have generally stayed away from DSI stuff. I did not like the interface on the desktop evolver, even. The Mopho never sounded like that much of an improvement.

[sleepykeith]

(1) It was horribly frustrating to use without a computer in almost every way imanaginable (2) The knobs were so fine grained you could not tweak them in real-time and have the degree of fun with them you can have with, say, a Moog. (3) The sound wasn't as great as I hoped it would be, I had recently sold a Moog LP and missed the sound from that, and this did not fill in the gaps.

 

 

 

 

this pretty much sums up the answer i was looking for.

thanks!

[Sad Darwin]

I made the pact with myself after owning a Triton a few years back that I would never buy a synth with 4 knobs again, no matter how tempting or well marketed

[The Hamburglar]

I think I'll be pretty happy with this Mopho once I figure out this mapping business.

[ElectricPuppy]

Alright, here's what I've got, I'll pick an example, in this case Oscillator 1 Fine Tune. Looking it up in the manual, it is parameter #1: NPRN 1, RANGE 0-100, with 50 being centered. In that table, the left hand column of parameter numbers means nothing to the ReMOTE; it's just a ordinal number. It's the NPRN number and range that's important. So, for this parameter, pick a control knob and set:

Control mode: NPRN
MIDI port group: Common (if you want to send the edit out over the Common port, of course)
MIDI channel group: Common (again, adjust to taste.)
MSB: 0
LSB: 1
Default Value: 50
High Value: 100
Low Value: 0
14-bit values: Off (no)
Display format: 0 to 127

The idea is to plug in the NPRN number from the manual's table as a pair of LSB/MSB numbers into the Remote. The conversion of an NPRN number to LSB/MSB is:

MSB = The integer (whole) result of NPRN number divided by 128;
LSB = remainder result of NPRN divided by 128.

For example, for Oscillator 1 Fine, the NPRN is 1:

MSB = NPRN/128 = 1/128 = 0 (we just want the whole part for MSB)
LSB = remainder = 1 - 0 = 1.

Take another example: Oscillator 1 Sub Level:

Mode: NPRN
MSB: 0 (114 / 128 = 0)
LSB: 114 (remainder of 114 / 128 is 114)
Default value: 0
Low value: 0
High value: 127
14-bit: no

In general, it looks like most parameters have an NPRN of less than 128, so the MSB will always be 0 and the LSB will be the NPRN itself. Also, it looks like most parameter values range up to only 127. In that case, we don't turn on the 14-bit value option for the control. If the parameter can go up to 128 or above, then turn on the 14-bit value for the control. An example of this is parameter 25, "filter envelope control" (NPRN 20), which takes a value range from 0 to 254.

I hope this makes sense.

[The Hamburglar]

Holy {censored}...thank you. Forget Noisebug, everyone should buy from ElectricPuppy!

[ElectricPuppy]

I am pleased that you are pleased. Enjoy, and good luck getting all those plugged into the Remote, that's going to take some Epic Patience!

[The Hamburglar]

I'm actually still having a problem...one that I was having before you showed me how to set the NRPN stuff correctly.

 

It may have something to do with the fact that I don't know see where one edits the default value or 14-bit values. But basically, I set the NRPN stuff correctly to control, for instance, LFO1 amount. However, any turn of the knob irrevocably alters the sound, in this case upping the LFO amount a ton. I can't turn it down (or change it) and have to switch presets to get back to something not ruined. It's basically like I pressed on with no off option or any switching in between.

[ElectricPuppy]

It sounds like it's sending 14-bit values. I read those settings off of the templae I started in the Remote's editor software on my laptop. Let me go fire up the Remote and look at it...

[ElectricPuppy]

OK, so set:

Control = NPRN
DispType = 0-127 (this is important)
LowVal = 0
HighVal = 127
NPRN lsb = (the NPRN number)
NPRN msb = 0

That ought to do it. If not...

[The Hamburglar]

I really appreciate your help. It still didn't work unfortunately. I'm going to send messages to both Novation and DSI.

[ElectricPuppy]

Try another parameter? I don't know, I was doing OK with it, I just lost interest.

[The Hamburglar]

Right they all do the same thing, adjusting attack basically gave it the maximum attack time. I'm sorry, please don't respond to me anymore.

[ElectricPuppy]

OK, here I am not responding to you.

[ElectricPuppy]

Hey Burglar, I just thought of something, while laying in bed and obsessing about it... Maybe I steered you wrong about the non-14 bit thing. Maybe the Mopho needs all 14 bits, even though the value ranges are small. Set the Remote's NPRN display mode to "16K" (I think it's called), you'll notice that the maximum HighVal can then go up as high as 16383. Just dial that down to 127, or whatever the max range is for the param you're setting, and give that a try.

That's the only cause I can think of.

[kilon]

Try another parameter? I don't know, I was doing OK with it, I just lost interest.

MIDI programming is a huge PAIN IN THE A@@.... I tried with NATIVE INSTRUMENTS KORE 1 and 1 month ago with my NOVATION REMOTE SL37 ... failed miserably to satisfy myself in both case.

 

I now selling my SL37 and I would sell my KORE as well if it was not a very good audio card.

 

By the way I have a bofeld, which is a MONSTER thing , I own it for almost 2 years now and still cant believe that power of this little monster. But I cant stand its 4 knobs interface.

 

Its not the 4 knobs but the fact I have to look at the lcd constantly.So lately I make less and less music. I WANT to make some cool sound and I Can make them , but I DONT. So I made the jump and ordered an Andromeda, 5 times more expensive but if it invites me to go deep in sound synthesis then it will be priceless. And I think that 72 knobs will be more than enough

 

So I can relate to people selling their mopho. If my andromeda be as reliable as I hope then I see myself selling my blofeld , or at least I see blofeld as no longer be used, and its a shame cause is a probably on of the best VAs out there.

 

But sometimes the interface is much more important than the sound itself.

 

Why?

 

Cause a sound can be fixed, a bad interface cannot.

 

Even if you want it for live use that does not mean you are going to use only 4 knobs. Unless there is an assignable knob and before the live you programm it to respond to different parameters. But even for live I would prefer to have Loads of knobs even If intend to tweak only one parameter at a time.

[midi]

Forget the Mo - get a P'08!

[The Hamburglar]

Hey Burglar, I just thought of something, while laying in bed and obsessing about it... Maybe I steered you wrong about the non-14 bit thing. Maybe the Mopho needs all 14 bits, even though the value ranges are small. Set the Remote's NPRN display mode to "16K" (I think it's called), you'll notice that the maximum HighVal can then go up as high as 16383. Just dial that down to 127, or whatever the max range is for the param you're setting, and give that a try. That's the only cause I can think of.

 

After testing this out a little bit, this seems to work perfectly. Thank you EP.

[Umbra]

Are they still using sound tower for the creating the editor? They sucked.

[Stabby]

The Blofeld also has just 4 knobs but you can select the category you want to edit which makes a HUGE difference. The Mopho lacks this, making it too frustrating, That's why I sold mine.

[The Hamburglar]

ElectricPuppy is God...I am ROLLIN through this mapping business. Thank you so much. I'll be sure to put this out for everyone else to enjoy, I think I've got a pretty intuitive setup.

[The Hamburglar]

My only problem actually is the buttons, it's the same sort of thing as before. They will turn the ARP on, for instance, but can't go back. They don't have 14-bit controls or anything either. Wonder if I'm stuck without 'em...which I could deal with but would be kind of a nuisance.

[ElectricPuppy]

I think that can be sorted out, too. I'll look later. I'm glad you're getting somewhere now, though.

[The Hamburglar]

Me too man, thanks.