Members Themetallikid Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 SO I'm thinking about my rig and the EQ in the G major I have in the loop. I usually eq the preamp controls with some cut mids, not a lot, but enough to get a heavier rock sound. Then when I kick into a lead I boost the mids on the G Major. If i'm cutting the mids before the loop, what mids will the G Major see to boost? Would I be better off running more mids on the pre amp EQ and then the EQ of the G Major taking them out for that sound? I guess my thought is if you take something out before it gets to the loop, how is it going to get boosted? you know what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MCon Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 You're not taking them out before the loop, you're just cutting back on them some. If you *completely* removed them, then yeah, boosting them later wouldn't do you any good, but that's not what you're doing, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Themetallikid Posted July 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 no, thats not what I'm doing. I'm not taking them out completely, in fact I turn them down to about 4 cause my cab is pretty 'middy' anyway. I was just thinking that if you keep the mids in the Preamp, it would be easier to dial in a sound by Equing out certain frequencies through the G major in the loop. I'll hav eto try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MCon Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 Some preamps sound smoother when you cut certain frequencies and then reboost them later. For example, I run an MXR 10 band EQ in the loop of my Traynor YCV50 that boosts the bass. Why? Because I cut the bass to about 2-3 at the preamp level as I've found that it reduces the amount of bass flab if you run a less bassier signal through the preamp and then boost it back afterwards. It's clearer, tighter, and sounds better IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Themetallikid Posted July 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 I'll have to play around, thats why I want to get a different EQ than the one in the G major so I dont have to navigate menues to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MCon Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 I love the 10 band EQ for just that reason. I wish MXR made a floor-based programmable one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hal9000 Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by Themetallikid no, thats not what I'm doing. I'm not taking them out completely, in fact I turn them down to about 4 cause my cab is pretty 'middy' anyway. I was just thinking that if you keep the mids in the Preamp, it would be easier to dial in a sound by Equing out certain frequencies through the G major in the loop.I'll hav eto try that. I setup my Mesa F-100 on the overdrive chanel for as slightly midrange sound, which is excellent for solos. Then, with the G-Major, I drop the mids with the EQ for my rhythm sounds and turn off the EQ for solos all per patch. I also add 2-3 dB boost for solos via the output level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Themetallikid Posted July 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 I do the same thing for volume and such, but I have gone the other way with cutting the mids for my normal sound and then adding them back in for leads...my logic says the otherway would make more sense....but I'll try it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hal9000 Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by Themetallikid I do the same thing for volume and such, but I have gone the other way with cutting the mids for my normal sound and then adding them back in for leads...my logic says the otherway would make more sense....but I'll try it out... Here's the thing, if you amp's tone controls come before the distortion creation in the preamp, then adding and subtracting mids will have a drastic effect on your tone, because you're affecting the frequencies that get distorted (lots of mids and highs = crunchy, lots of lows = muddy). The Mark IV works this way as do a lot of older amp designs. If the tone controls are after the preamp distortion, the boosting or cutting of mids on either the amp or G-Major will be similar so it won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Themetallikid Posted July 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 hmmm, interesting part of the equation i didnt consider...I would assume that most are after the preamp section....as otherwise it would be like putting an eq before the amp... I run a Peavey JSX, which also has the active EQ's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hal9000 Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by Themetallikid hmmm, interesting part of the equation i didnt consider...I would assume that most are after the preamp section....as otherwise it would be like putting an eq before the amp...I run a Peavey JSX, which also has the active EQ's. Yeah, active controls are generaly after the gain stages. Really, the G-Major's parametric EQ and the actives on the JSX could probably cancel each other out given the boost/cut the same band. Boosting with an EQ or running an overdrive pedal into the front of your amp will change the character of the distortion like I was talking about. This method is a good way to add an alternate voice to an amp, tighten the lows, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Idiot Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 I like running my boss rge-10 in front of my amp for boosting. It sounded like ass in the loop, too muffled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hal9000 Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by The Idiot I like running my boss rge-10 in front of my amp for boosting. It sounded like ass in the loop, too muffled. Generally, when a pedal sounds like ass in the loop, it's because the loop was designed pro-line level (rack) FX instead of stomp boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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