Members Digital Jams Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Bob Savage What makes you think one is sacrificed for the other? I've heard loads of slower paced players with unusual, or no vibrato. That francisco kid is an example....stupid kinds of speed and a vibrato that makes his mother cry it is so bad. I believe that is what Mr. Random is talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gainfreak Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Digital Jams Says the guy with the best vibrato on the forum That's highly debatable but thanks for the kind words!! I'm sure that Blues players would hate my vibrato which brings up a point. Vibrato is high subjective!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amoodymule Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 I know Robin Trower isn't fast, but I dig the vibrato and tasty note choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gainfreak Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Extasyguy Ralph(Gainfreak) is a perfect example of speed, vibrato, tasty note choice. I always wondered what makes my favorite guitarists so good and its the ability to express themselves on the guitar not just with speed but more importantly, proper and unique vibrato. Thank you kind sir!! That said... a bit off topic but.......I am jonseing for an x-box 360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members la0tsu Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by fancynapkin I think the proper application of vibrato is neglected by most guitar players in general. Theres a time for fast vibrato, slow vibrato, wide and narrow. Absolutely. For a long time, back when I was almost exclusively playing metal, I only had a fast, wide, super severe vibrato. When I started taking lessons a college, I knew that I wanted to branch out, but that was something I didn't even think of. Finally, after several months of lessons, my teacher told me I was making good progress in my sight reading, scales, triads, and improv, but I needed to work on more subtlety with my vibrato. It was really hard for me to re-learn it. Eventually, it took a week or so of playing nothing but "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" and "Samba Pa Ti" to get it. I have to say, it really added a lot of depth to my playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Savage Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Digital Jams That francisco kid is an example....stupid kinds of speed and a vibrato that makes his mother cry it is so bad.I believe that is what Mr. Random is talking about. But what evidence is there that vibrato was sacrificed in order to build speed? Do you see what I'm getting at? Some players just don't seem to "get" vibrato, regardless of their playing style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SuperStrat Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by gainfreak I hate to say this but most players sacrifice vibrato period. I think that it is the most overlooked technique in guitar. The funny thing is that I don't remember anyone really discussing it much in the pre-trem days.... it just sort of happened, good, bad or ugly it just happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Digital Jams Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Bob Savage But what evidence is there that vibrato was sacrificed in order to build speed? Do you see what I'm getting at? Some players just don't seem to "get" vibrato, regardless of their playing style. I guess in his quest for alt picking speed and the hours of mentronome work he never gave thought to a good basic vibrato standard to practice as well.To sum my thoughts up best I am going with that a vibrato was not high on his list of levels to achieve.Hows that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Savage Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Digital Jams To sum my thoughts up best I am going with that a vibrato was not high on his list of levels to achieve. Hows that I agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Digital Jams Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Bob Savage I agree with that. You better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Savage Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Digital Jams You better. I changed my mind. I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Digital Jams Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Bob Savage I changed my mind. I don't. Better not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Urban Ghandi Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 The irony is: I think it's harder to develop clean alt picking than it is to develop a nice singing vibrato. I think forums like this one and things like YouTube videos give a false sense that everyone is after speed and not vibrato. I'd dare to say that there are many more people with better vibrato than picking speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ed DeGenaro Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by gainfreak I hate to say this but most players sacrifice vibrato period. I think that it is the most overlooked technique in guitar. Not most players...most beginniner to intermediate players. Unless we're talking Jazz where it clearly is a capitol offense to put a wiggle on the note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ed DeGenaro Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Bob Savage But what evidence is there that vibrato was sacrificed in order to build speed? Do you see what I'm getting at? Some players just don't seem to "get" vibrato, regardless of their playing style. Well...here's how that usually goes. Young player gets turned on by flashy stuff and that's what he wants to learn. Sitting there wiggling a note in time doesn't seem so hip. Until later when the sexy part of a vibratoed note comes into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ed DeGenaro Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Urban Ghandi The irony is: I think it's harder to develop clean alt picking than it is to develop a nice singing vibrato.I think forums like this one and things like YouTube videos give a false sense that everyone is after speed and not vibrato. I'd dare to say that there are many more people with better vibrato than picking speed. There are?!?!?! Not from what I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Digital Jams Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Yeah, those damn guys that show the kids flashy moves What jazz move is this anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ed DeGenaro Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Digital Jams Yeah, those damn guys that show the kids flashy moves What jazz move is this anyways It's the "I'm going tto poke your eye out with the bar if you don't bring your BBQ apron" move... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cobrahead1030 Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 i think a lot of people just find that one or the other come more natural to them i don't think i'm terribly good at either, but i'm probably more of a speed guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Urban Ghandi Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro There are?!?!?! Not from what I've heard. Then maybe Walnut Creek, CA is the singing vibrato capital of the world. I just think when you compile all the styles out there (not just rock) I'd be inclined to think there are more note benders than speed pickers. Hey, I'm not saying they're all good at what they do but bending strings come easier than flying up and down a scale.Just the shear number of people that play guitar that aren't into shredding, bend notes more than playing "flight of the bumble bee."No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ed DeGenaro Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by cobrahead1030 i think a lot of people just find that one or the other come more natural to themi don't think i'm terribly good at either, but i'm probably more of a speed guy That's all fine and good. BUT...in the end speed is no bid deal. You can teach about anybody who wants tto put the effort in to get a reasonable amount of dexterity.But vibrato is your sonic finger print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ed DeGenaro Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Urban Ghandi Then maybe Walnut Creek, CA is the singing vibrato capital of the world. I just think when you compile all the styles out there (not just rock) I'd be inclined to think there are more note benders than speed pickers. Hey, I'm not saying they're all good at what they do but bending strings come easier than flying up and down a scale. Just the shear number of people that play guitar that aren't into shredding, bend notes more than playing "flight of the bumble bee." No? Probably..but choice does not necessarily have anything to do with ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Digital Jams Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 I can name a crap load of guys that can bring it speed wise but the monster vibrato list is pretty small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members -=MYK=- Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Meh, just play the damn guitar already.As soon as I was able to hear the notes that I was playing I was able to start doing different things with my vibrato, but I only started to hear these things after playing the gitar for a while. It sure was frustrating having to learn your fingers to move a little string back and forth a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members telephant Posted July 21, 2006 Members Share Posted July 21, 2006 Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro vibrato is your sonic finger print. Cool statement. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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