Members Thorhead Posted August 19, 2010 Members Share Posted August 19, 2010 So I was checking different gear from THOMANN in the usual gassy manner today. I also like to check prices for what I have got and... Kurzweil:PC3x 1.666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomkeen Posted August 19, 2010 Members Share Posted August 19, 2010 Yes, Musicstore has the same prices. Very cheap for what you get. If they stay this cheap, I'm getting a PC361 for fun, and change the PC3x into a CP5 or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members synthjoe Posted August 19, 2010 Members Share Posted August 19, 2010 I'm just about to get a K2600 around EUR 1000-1200. The higher for a new old stock at (I'm not going to tell you where - I want it!). So, do you think it is a good price for a 2600 (bare) or should I wait a few months because the second hand market will dive, as well? Would appreciate your expert advice - Synthjoe the Kurz Newbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thorhead Posted August 19, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 19, 2010 I'm just about to get a K2600 around EUR 1000-1200. The higher for a new old stock at (I'm not going to tell you where - I want it!). So, do you think it is a good price for a 2600 (bare) or should I wait a few months because the second hand market will dive, as well? Would appreciate your expert advice - Synthjoe the Kurz Newbie. Hmm.. This is a bit tricky. But in my not so professional opinion, you should buy the Kurzweil PC3 from thomann if you can. I dont think those deals that they are making are completely legit and they probably wont last. I think they are getting rid of the PC3x to make room for the K's, which should come next month. Really, at this point it is not worth it to buy a K2600 at all. And thats why I think the prices will go down a lot more in the future, in 2 years you should get K2600 for half that price. Anyone rational dont pay that much for K2600s its only the collectors or someone who wants to try and clone rudess 100% (and not care for the fact the new kurzs sound better). Further the new PC3K is being released next month I think, which does pretty much everything K2600 does, but better, also there will be new ram on November that you cant get for the K2600. So thats just my 2cents, but I am pretty sure you have already decided for the K2600, just knowing these things so.... get it, but be sure to give in these facts so you get it cheaper. There is nothing positive for the prices of K2600 in the future, also admit to yourself you wont be able to sell it at close the price, and also admit your brain will melt when the next K comes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members synthjoe Posted August 19, 2010 Members Share Posted August 19, 2010 Thorhead - you're great help, thanks for your _so valid_ points! You say there will be a K3xxx series, after all? I have not heard about it, but I'd love to see it confirmed - if you say next month, then it must be a fact. The reason I looked at K2600 rather than any of the more recent models is that by my knowledge K2600 was the last one made with Ray Kurzweil's involvement (I'm not sure from where I got that) and I'm precautious as to innovation by Young Chang engineers without Mr. Kurzweil... Besides, I miss the large ribbon controller from the new boards and sampling capability. If anything, I'd go for Pink Floyd. Not that I consider Rudess to be bad or anything, but his playing is just so not my style. If I wanted to play like him, I'd start taking guitar lessons and sell my keyboards. You're right, I am decided but not committed, so you were just in time to make me 'undecided'. A big thank you for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members synthjoe Posted August 19, 2010 Members Share Posted August 19, 2010 Thanks mildbill, another useful point of view! As you can see from my previous post, I'm leaning towards your idea, but if K2600 will get even cheaper than it is today, then hell - I can wait for a few more months! Other views, to confuse me completely and irresolvably? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members synthjoe Posted August 20, 2010 Members Share Posted August 20, 2010 Sounds like you know a bit about Kurzweil already, but here's the K2600 link anyways: http://www.kurzweil.com/Product.php?id=42&tab=overview I tend to know a thing or two about good instruments! Thanks for the link, it gave me the opportunity to confirm that YES, neither the new PC3K has the ribbon controller built-in. An option at $89 - and where would I put it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TechEverlasting Posted August 20, 2010 Members Share Posted August 20, 2010 To clarify a few points - the PC3K is not the mythical "K3000", but it is a great combination of existing and new Kurzweil technology - the amazing PC3X with added non-volatile sample memory that will load K2600 banks. There's supposed to be a ROM expansion coming for the PC3s this fall that I expect will add a greatly improved piano sample set. The PC3X has a lot of advantages over even a fully loaded K2600 including an amazing set of string section waveforms and an excellent virtual analog engine whose oscillators don't alias like crazy above middle C (as the ones on the K2600 do!) The K2600s are really old technology at this point. If you're buying one make sure the Orchestra and Contemporary ROM blocks are included - these are essential if you want to be able to load many of the great patch libraries that are available for these instruments, and they are very hard to find and expensive as separate parts. Are you considering a 76 note K2600? I wouldn't touch an 88 note K2600X because of the unreliable keybed whose parts are no longer obtainable, but those 76 note actions are generally trouble-free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aanalogaddict Posted August 20, 2010 Members Share Posted August 20, 2010 DAMN! Those are good prices. The PC3X costs basically HALF what the competitors charge - and IMO it's better than the lot of them, if you can do without the sampling... Right now, I can't see any reason not to go for a Kurz if you're looking for a new synth. VA1 in VAST rivals the best dedicated VA:s in sound (not in interface though ;-) ), the effects are the best available in any workstation, the basic soundset is outstanding. With a Ventilator, you have a B3/Vox/Farfisa that's just a notch below a dedicated Hammond clone - the KB3 tone is right on the money, the Leslie sim not quite. There's no better master keyboard on the market (midi and USB midi Are totally separated) and they're very compact and well built. Who could ask for more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thorhead Posted August 20, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 20, 2010 Thorhead - you're great help, thanks for your _so valid_ points! You say there will be a K3xxx series, after all? I have not heard about it, but I'd love to see it confirmed - if you say next month, then it must be a fact. The reason I looked at K2600 rather than any of the more recent models is that by my knowledge K2600 was the last one made with Ray Kurzweil's involvement (I'm not sure from where I got that) and I'm precautious as to innovation by Young Chang engineers without Mr. Kurzweil... Besides, I miss the large ribbon controller from the new boards and sampling capability. If anything, I'd go for Pink Floyd. Not that I consider Rudess to be bad or anything, but his playing is just so not my style. If I wanted to play like him, I'd start taking guitar lessons and sell my keyboards. You're right, I am decided but not committed, so you were just in time to make me 'undecided'. A big thank you for that! The PC3K is the one coming next month or so,,, The new big workstation will come probably when the other new workstations hit probably 2-4 years. PC3 has pretty much everything that K2600 has except the sampler, if you don't use the sampler there is pretty much no reason to get it. PC3k would be the best choice for you, because it can also load K2600 sounds. BUT there are a lot of pink floyd sounds for PC3 too(available online), and you can recreate pretty much all of them. The organ sounds better on the PC3 too, since it has new organ modeler. Also PC3 has 3x the polyphony and strings rom that you cant get for K2600. More algorithms and of 32 layer cascade mode. The FX section is much more powerful too... And there is a virtual analog synth too. Yeah obviously the PC3k is going to be expensive so you probably don't want to get that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members synthjoe Posted August 20, 2010 Members Share Posted August 20, 2010 Are you considering a 76 note K2600? Yes, that's my size. Al but four of my keyboards have ~6 octave keyboards (2 has 88 and my DSS-1 has 61, as well as the PCR-80 controller). I'm not planning to break my back with an 88 keys. Thanks to all for the useful tips, keep them coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted August 20, 2010 Members Share Posted August 20, 2010 There's an input slot for it, and I'm sure a space for it above the keys was designed into the board. This is not totally correct. While the PC2RIB Ribbon controller will fit above the keyboard keys it does cover up some of the labels on the controls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members asynchro_nous Posted August 20, 2010 Members Share Posted August 20, 2010 Wouldn't a Kurzweil-made dedicated controller with all of the requisite knobs and sliders to really bring out the VA in the PC3 be the bomb? Will they do this? Sadly, probably not until the Devil skates to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evildragon Posted August 20, 2010 Members Share Posted August 20, 2010 Great prices. The only bad thing is that I want PC3K8 now and none of those! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members psionic11 Posted August 21, 2010 Members Share Posted August 21, 2010 Sam Ash here got lucky and received a PC3... I didn't have time to demo it, but someone played some decent organs on it. Question for non-Kurzweil people -- what's the difference between the PC3, the PC3x, the PC3k, etc... PC3 is the latest and still uses VAST, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TechEverlasting Posted August 21, 2010 Members Share Posted August 21, 2010 The plethora of PC3 models has made for a confusing array of numbers. PC3K8 - Not released yet, the ultimate combination of an 88 note PC3X with the flash sample memory. PC3(X) This is the current top of the line - the "X" refers to an 88 note board, the regular PC3 has 76 notes. There's also the PC361, all the good stuff in a 61 note board. Then there are the LE versions, which have all the sounds but half the processing power and thus less flexible effects, less polyphony and less editing options - PC3LE8, (88 notes) PC3LE7 (76 notes) PC3LE6 (61 notes) It reminds me of all the varieties of Cheez-its now cluttering grocery store shelves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members synthjoe Posted August 22, 2010 Members Share Posted August 22, 2010 In my mind the 'k' in PC3K8 meant to indicate that you can use K2xxx stuff. But it's pure speculation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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