Members Andersonology Posted June 6, 2007 Members Share Posted June 6, 2007 From 2:100 manual page 2: "NOTE: Remember to turn the LEVEL Control to zero on any channel not connected to a speaker or load resistor! A Load must be present at all times when either channel's LEVEL Control is dialed to anthing OTHER than zero..." Uh...can you not read what I just posted, verbatim out of the 2:100 manual?WARNING: Always make certain proper load is connected before operating the amplifier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Big Hair Posted June 6, 2007 Members Share Posted June 6, 2007 looks like mesa has conflicting advice in its manualsone part says must have a load on each ampanother says it is okay to not have a load if you turn volume down FWIW - I know the Diezel einstein can be run without any load, you just turn the master vol to zero and can then connect the preamp out to a different power amp. Olaf did explain why this was possible to me at the time, but I am afraid I did not understand fully! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SirLemonhead Posted June 6, 2007 Members Share Posted June 6, 2007 What happens if someone yanks your speaker cord without you knowing? How long would it actually take to ruin the output transformer? You'd obviously have the advantage of knowing as your sound would stop, but people shouldn't be messing with your amp either way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rayneman Posted June 6, 2007 Members Share Posted June 6, 2007 Uh...can you not read what I just posted, verbatim out of the 2:100 manual?WARNING: Always make certain proper load is connected before operating the amplifier I think that its implied (or at least that's how I read it) that a proper load is necessary when the leve or volume is set anywhere but zero. It seems like we're all posting verbatim quotes here. In any event, this is all a bit confusing, and better that anyone who runs the preamp/poweramp deal with a stereo amp uses two cabs, or at the very least, a cab that can be split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Andersonology Posted June 6, 2007 Members Share Posted June 6, 2007 No, here's the part that was left out by the trolls: "(This is necessary because an amplifier channel receiving any amount of signal at its input will require a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SirLemonhead Posted June 6, 2007 Members Share Posted June 6, 2007 Writing user manuals is a pain in the ass...My take on it though is that if you're using the channel, ie volume not at zero, then connect a load. That's what that warning is talking about i'd assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Big Hair Posted June 6, 2007 Members Share Posted June 6, 2007 No, here's the part that was left out by the trolls:"(This is necessary because an amplifier channel receiving any amountof signal at its input will require a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Andersonology Posted June 6, 2007 Members Share Posted June 6, 2007 What happens if someone yanks your speaker cord without you knowing?How long would it actually take to ruin the output transformer? You'd obviously have the advantage of knowing as your sound would stop, but people shouldn't be messing with your amp either way... Probably not very long. And yes, you'll probably know right away, wherein if you're only running one channel, and somehow that volume knob gets moved, you may not know until the damn thing blows up. Not exactly what I'd call a "best practice". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Big Hair Posted June 6, 2007 Members Share Posted June 6, 2007 looks like there are different procedures for different models then?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillyCorgan Posted June 6, 2007 Members Share Posted June 6, 2007 I always run my Strategy 500 with the left side on standby with the presence at 10 and volume 0. Mesa said it's fine to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rayneman Posted June 6, 2007 Members Share Posted June 6, 2007 No, here's the part that was left out by the trolls:"(This is necessary because an amplifier channel receiving any amountof signal at its input will require a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Big Hair Posted June 6, 2007 Members Share Posted June 6, 2007 Why "trolls?" You are ASSUMING that the volume/level knob will be moved, thus damage will likely result. I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing.The truth is, and I think you can agree, is that if the VOLUME/LEVEL is at ZERO, no damage will occur to the transformer that is not seeing a load.Anyway, this is all getting a bit silly. Everyone is right in their own thinking. this is the bit i wanted to know putting aside external factors like dials being moved etc, would the damage occur if the vol is at zero and no load connected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jakem Posted June 6, 2007 Members Share Posted June 6, 2007 Who's the {censored}ing dumbass now? That would be all the guys who said just turn down the volume knob.Ah....that FEELS REAL GOOD TO SAY THAT!!!! Who has talked about someone being a dumbass? I seems to work with 20/20, 50/50 and 2:90 so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peehoo Posted June 6, 2007 Members Share Posted June 6, 2007 Anyway, am I the only one who thinks that it is totally stupid that there aren't separate standbys? It doesn't matter if the volume to zero trick works, I mean how hard is it to put separate standbys in? It's just easier and less frustrating IMO. Because a lot of people really only use one channel and it is much more convenient and reassuring if you have a standby on each channel, plus a little light to know what's the status... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members v_c Posted June 7, 2007 Members Share Posted June 7, 2007 Volume all the way down, presence all the way up, and no input into the channel not being used. Have done it with loads of Mesa power amps. No problems. The underlined part is the important bit, the volume and presence settings are extra-precautions only. Which is why worrying about someone 'messing' with your volume control isn't necessary. http://www.mesaboogie.com/US/What_s_New_/Amplitudes/Tone_Tips/tone_tips.html#MONO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Andersonology Posted June 7, 2007 Members Share Posted June 7, 2007 Volume all the way down, presence all the way up, and no input into the channel not being used. Have done it with loads of Mesa power amps. No problems.The underlined part is the important bit, the volume and presence settings are extra-precautions only. Which is why worrying about someone 'messing' with your volume control isn't necessary.http://www.mesaboogie.com/US/What_s_New_/Amplitudes/Tone_Tips/tone_tips.html#MONO What is point of having a bad-ass stereo power amp and running it mono? Sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? I think just getting another cab is real solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rayneman Posted June 7, 2007 Members Share Posted June 7, 2007 What is point of having a bad-ass stereo power amp and running it mono? Sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? I think just getting another cab is real solution. Well, yes, but then we wouldn't be here arguing about it!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jakem Posted June 7, 2007 Members Share Posted June 7, 2007 What is point of having a bad-ass stereo power amp and running it mono? Sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?I think just getting another cab is real solution. Yes, but the original poster wanted to know if it's possible to use them in mono. What preamp do you use with your 2:100, if I may ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members v_c Posted June 7, 2007 Members Share Posted June 7, 2007 What is point of having a bad-ass stereo power amp and running it mono? Stereo on stage. Mono jamming in the garage where you don't NEED 180watts, or maybe you don't wanna carry two cabs. Better to have the option and not need it, that to need it and not have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peehoo Posted June 7, 2007 Members Share Posted June 7, 2007 What is point of having a bad-ass stereo power amp and running it mono? Sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?I think just getting another cab is real solution. I know some people just like separate preamp/poweramp setups, but don't want to run stereo. And the huge majority of poweramps are stereo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tommythelurker Posted June 7, 2007 Members Share Posted June 7, 2007 Ya, mono power amps seem conspicuously rare Marshall makes a "dual mono block" which is basically two completely seperate power amps in one unit. You can use both together in stereo or just one side. Each side has it's own power and standby. But other than that it seems like almost everything is meant to run in stereo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members again with this Posted June 7, 2007 Members Share Posted June 7, 2007 I always run my Strategy 500 with the left side on standby with the presence at 10 and volume 0. Mesa said it's fine to do that. Yup. this is the gospel according to Mesa. Call them and ask. I agree, separate standby and even power switches would be cool. I think VHTs have separate standbys, but one master power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Andersonology Posted June 7, 2007 Members Share Posted June 7, 2007 Yes, but the original poster wanted to know if it's possible to use them in mono. What preamp do you use with your 2:100, if I may ask? Triaxis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jakem Posted June 7, 2007 Members Share Posted June 7, 2007 Triaxis.Nice!A Triaxis owner here too. Which version do you have? Which cabs do you use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Andersonology Posted June 7, 2007 Members Share Posted June 7, 2007 Nice! A Triaxis owner here too. Which version do you have? Which cabs do you use? Version 2, and 2 2x12 oversized Bogner cabs. It's the best sounding rig I've ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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