Members Mr Lucky Pants Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 Something is wrong here. I suggest you stop going through so many amps and start trying some different cabs..........something sturdy, deep, and rear loaded like Orange or Mesa cabs would be a good place to start. Yeah, at a certain point you've gotta be doing something wrong, outside of the amps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tacoshow Posted December 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 Something is wrong here. I suggest you stop going through so many amps and start trying some different cabs..........something sturdy, deep, and rear loaded like Orange or Mesa cabs would be a good place to start. See earlier in thread where I said my cab was Mesa recto standard w/ V30's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members troublehead Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 See earlier in thread where I said my cab was Mesa recto standard w/ V30's Maybe try some new ears then:thu: Seriously though, I don't like bright amps either. And I've owned some of those amps (bias modded 6505, Fireball, JVM to name a few). I've since gone away from using graphic EQ's, but try getting an MXR 10 band EQ and stick it in the loop. From my experience, much of the icepick highs in amps are around 8k. The MXR has a slider for that band and taking it down will smooth out the highs at louder volumes. Plus what kind of guitar/pickups are you using? There are so many other factors besides the amp itself. I don't think that is your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dropsix Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 Hard to believe all the Orange Rocker suggestions 'cuz every clip I've heard sounds grainy and bright. Bogner eh? hmm I'd like to try a VH4 but it's outta my wallet-range Go buy a framus dragon and play it with the bass knob and deep knob at 3 o clock It will probably still be a bit too bright for you but it's the closest you're gonna get by the sounds of the tones you seem to want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tacoshow Posted December 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 Maybe try some new ears then:thu:Seriously though, I don't like bright amps either. And I've owned some of those amps (bias modded 6505, Fireball, JVM to name a few). I've since gone away from using graphic EQ's, but try getting an MXR 10 band EQ and stick it in the loop. From my experience, much of the icepick highs in amps are around 8k. The MXR has a slider for that band and taking it down will smooth out the highs at louder volumes. Plus what kind of guitar/pickups are you using? There are so many other factors besides the amp itself. I don't think that is your problem. It could indeed be my ears :-) Honestly, all the amps I listed sounded good, it's just that at show levels they get too grating. Yeah, I've debated using an eq but the 10-band mxr I tried once added lots of noise. Should probably try again. Same post where I listed my cab is where I listed the ax - Les Paul w/ BK warpigs. Maybe I've got some weird sensitivity to higher frequencies or something but it also sounds like the preamp sound disappears at loud levels too. I {censored}ing hate that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ericwylde Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 framus dragon, bogner shiva, mesa stiletto deucemaybe hughes & kettner warp X? and a darker and lower output pickup (I didn't find the warpig dark like most people say)black dog maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ComingApart Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 Lose the V30's. /THREAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shiny_Surface Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 It could indeed be my ears :-) Honestly, all the amps I listed sounded good, it's just that at show levels they get too grating. Yeah, I've debated using an eq but the 10-band mxr I tried once added lots of noise. Should probably try again. Same post where I listed my cab is where I listed the ax - Les Paul w/ BK warpigs. Maybe I've got some weird sensitivity to higher frequencies or something but it also sounds like the preamp sound disappears at loud levels too. I {censored}ing hate that Just be careful because too dark can be a bad thing as well. You need a certain amount of top end to cut through the cymbal wash in a live mix imo.Do you wear earplugs by the way when playing with your band? If not that is a quick way to darken things up and still slice through the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Lucky Pants Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 Lose the V30's./THREAD V30's aren't real bright, they just have a high mid spike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The4thlast1 Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 What guitar are you using and what wood is it made of ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DVaz Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 UberFits the bill perfectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jlc1587 Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 I have no problem getting the 6505 to not get bright. Used to I noticed the same thing and it was ear piercing. But after you turn down the presence to about 5 it isn't. If all these amps sound this way to you I think you are just hearing what a high gain tube amp sounds like turned up. It's LOUD man and I guess you could confuse some of the dynamics to be ear piercing. But I really don't think another amp is going to help you. If you tried all of those atleast. I always liked how tube amps sounded that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marc Duchesne Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 Lose the V30's./THREAD +1And what pickups are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dropsix Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 +1And what pickups are you using? -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marc Duchesne Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DVaz Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 -1 -2 Theres nothing terribly bright about V30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Lucky Pants Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 -1 -3...what the hell is so bright about v30's?!?! friggin' n00bs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marc Duchesne Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 When I think V30s, I think grating. They're fine speakers and can be plenty dark, but they're known to be somewhat harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Lucky Pants Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 When I think V30s, I think grating. They're fine speakers and can be plenty dark, but they're known to be somewhat harsh. Maybe, if they're not broken in properly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dropsix Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 -2Theres nothing terribly bright about V30s. Indeed. Many people are probably gonna tell him about H30s or GBs which have more highs than a V30. V30s are actually lacking in highs compared to many speakers IMO. With my old V30 cab I ran my presence around 10 o clock to 2 o clock. Now with my greenback cab, my presence pretty much stays under 8 o clock (Zero is like 7 o clock). Honestly, my old V30 cab which was well broken in was SMOOTHER than the GBs I have now in the top end, I kinda miss them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ComingApart Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 Obviously, the OP has something wrong with his ears or his setup if he can't get any of those amps to be dark enough. I suggested getting rid of the V30's, because it's probably the spike of the V30's at high volume thats the problem. I say this because I had to radically change my EQ settings when I switched to V30's to tame the harshness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jlc1587 Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 I still don't think it's a speaker issue. I think he's either not used to a loud tube amp or just doesn't like the sound. When I got my first tube amp back in the day I wasn't used to it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Lucky Pants Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 Obviously, the OP has something wrong with his ears or his setup if he can't get any of those amps to be dark enough.I suggested getting rid of the V30's, because it's probably the spike of the V30's at high volume thats the problem.I say this because I had to radically change my EQ settings when I switched to V30's to tame the harshness. Maybe he's not playing with a band, because V30's sit very well in a mix. They can be considered a little harsh due to the high mids when jamming by yourself, but in a mix with another guitar player/rest of the band they do their job very well. But, I still don't think it's a speaker issue here..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dropsix Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 Obviously, the OP has something wrong with his ears or his setup if he can't get any of those amps to be dark enough.I suggested getting rid of the V30's, because it's probably the spike of the V30's at high volume thats the problem.I say this because I had to radically change my EQ settings when I switched to V30's to tame the harshness. You have to change your EQ settings when switching from or to pretty much any speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peavey_impact Posted December 21, 2008 Members Share Posted December 21, 2008 Carvin Legacy loaded with 6L6's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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