Members hawkeye21 Posted June 25, 2004 Members Posted June 25, 2004 Any knowledge on this guitar would be helpful to me, I'm looking to buy an acoustic/electric in the 400 dollar range and this one caught my eye. Any suggestions or input are welcome.
Members hawkeye21 Posted June 25, 2004 Author Members Posted June 25, 2004 I guess I mean the AD60ck the dread instead of the folk
Members hawkeye21 Posted June 25, 2004 Author Members Posted June 25, 2004 Another question, what does it mean by "figured" dao?
Members Myrica Posted June 25, 2004 Members Posted June 25, 2004 I don't know what either the AF60ck or the AD60ck sound like, but I can tell you that they are both made out of all laminated woods. 'Figured' refers to the fact that the wood has a very showy grain pattern (as opposed to a more standard straight pattern). I do not know what DAO is, nor do I know what tonal qualities it posesses. The only experience that I have had with Alvarez guitars was playing an MF-80c and a used dread--both had nice tone, but I can't speak specifically about the ones you are interested in, unfortunately. I'd suggest looking into the LaSido companies--Seagull, Norman, Art & Lutherie--Takamine, Wahsburn, etc...just play as many guitars as possible until you find one that suits you best. Good luck! Tom
Members hawkeye21 Posted June 25, 2004 Author Members Posted June 25, 2004 One of the websites I looked at said that it was a solid top???
Members neotech Posted June 25, 2004 Members Posted June 25, 2004 Its a typo, its koa wood. I have the parlour sized one and its a pretty good guitar, very playable. One thing I have to say is that every koa wood guitar (acoustic) I ever played has nearly the same sound. Very mid-rangy with lite high end and bottom.
Members Myrica Posted June 25, 2004 Members Posted June 25, 2004 As far as I have been able to determine, the AF/AD60s are laminate tops (I have not seen anything that says that they are solid tops, so I must assume that they are not). I thought that 'DAO' was a typo. As far as Koa is concerned, it has a rather 'tight' or restricted sound--heavy on the midrange and light on the trebles/bass (granted, I have never had the pleasure to play a koa topped guitar that has opened up, and the few that I have played had dead strings). It's not for everyone (I'm not much of a fan, but I still want to hear a koa guitar that has opened up), but you may like it. Try it out and see for yourself:) ! Tom
Members PapaTom Posted June 25, 2004 Members Posted June 25, 2004 According to the Alvarez/Yairi website the AD60 series are solid tops with laminate b/s.
Members bsman Posted June 25, 2004 Members Posted June 25, 2004 From the Alvarez website: AF60CK Body Style Cutaway Folk Back/Sides Figured Dao Top Figured Dao Finish Natural Soundhole Rosette White Pearl Body Binding White/Black Multi-layer Fingerboard Rosewood Fingerboard Inlay 12th Fret Diagonal Tuning Machines Nickel Die Cast Bridge Rosewood Electronics System 600T I think that Dao is technically a Phillippine wood, Paldao. I doubt it's solid, because paldao is mostly used for veneer (laminates). There's a lot of BS on e-bay, etc. about this being koa. That's utter crap. You could not build a guitar out of figured koa for anything like the price of the alvarez guitar. Believe me, regardless of what you have may been told, this is not koa!!! From a woods site: Paldao Sengkuang Family: Anacardiaceae Other Common Names: New Guinea Walnut (New Guinea, Australia), Lamio, Dao (Philippines), Damoni, Dorea, Loup (New Guinea and Papua), New Guineawood (United States). Distribution: Widely distributed in Southeast Asia and the Southwest Pacific Islands. The Tree: A large tree reaching a height of 120 ft with clear straight boles 65 to 80 ft in length above high buttresses that may reach 20 ft; trunk diameters 6 to 7 ft above the buttress. The Wood: General Characteristics: Heartwood varies from light brown, grayish, greenish yellow to reddish brown often with irregular dark brown to nearly black banding; sapwood wide, pinkish, or grayish. Grain straight to interlocked and irregular; texture moderately fine to coarse; lustrous; without distinctive odor or taste; with decorative figure if quarter cut. Weight: Basic specific gravity (overdry weight/green volume) varies with species 0.45 to 0.54; air-dry density 35 to 42 pcf. Mechanical Properties: (2-in. standard) Moisture content Bending strength Modulus of elasticity Maximum crushing strength (%) (Psi) (1,000 psi) (Psi) Green (34) 10,500 1,350 4,600 12% 14,600 1,820 7,200 Green (7) 8,540 1,400 4,300 12% 11,800 1,660 6,700 Janka side hardness 830 to 1,130 lb at 12% moisture content. Forest Products Laboratory toughness 334 in.-lb for green material (5/8-in. specimen). Drying and Shrinkage: Tendency to wrap and twist on drying (D. dao), but D. mangiferum is reported to be easy to season. No date available on kiln schedules. Shrinkage green to ovendry: radial 3.9%; tangential 7.5%. Working Properties: Easy to work, glues satisfactorily, and takes a good finish and polish, veneers well. Durability: Heartwood is nondurable and is not resistant to termite attack. Preservation: No information available. Uses: Furniture and cabinetwork, paneling, decorative veneers (walnut-like in appearance), gunstocks, flooring, joinery. Additional Reading: (7), (9), (17), (34)
Members MH3 Posted June 25, 2004 Members Posted June 25, 2004 I've played an AD60CK, and it had a decent sound for what it is and the price range. Tone as described above. I do think this is a guitar that you would definitely want to play the one you're going to buy, before you buy.
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