Members jbr Posted December 30, 2005 Members Share Posted December 30, 2005 I've started another mix with the drums, bass and vox sounding good together, but when I add in e.guitars(usually distorted) the thwack of the snare drops out or is covered up and sounds dull. Should I be cutting a frequency in the guitar track and/or boosting a snare frequency? Or am I overlooking something else? Help appreciated!Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LIMiT Posted December 30, 2005 Members Share Posted December 30, 2005 Should I be cutting a frequency in the guitar track and/or boosting a snare frequency? BINGO! Electric guitars and the snare drum occupy much of the same frequ. You're going in the right direction. Personnally, I cut guitars to let the snare sneak through a bit more. Try a 6dB cut and sweep through the mids. Its in there somewhere. -LIMiT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members where02190 Posted December 30, 2005 Members Share Posted December 30, 2005 Try panning the guitars more, so they are spread more left and right, while keeping the snare panned center. Also, try a bit of compression on the guitars with a fast attack/slow release, while using a comp on the snare with a slow attack/fast release. You could also use a ducker on guitar subgroups and trigger it with the snare, ducking the guitars a db or 2 for a very minute incriment, maybe a couple ms, to allow the attack of the snare to come through without losing the guitar presense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jbr Posted December 31, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 31, 2005 Thanks for the tips! The guitars are already pretty wide, so I'll try the eq and compression ideas. But what is considered fast/slow attack/release:10ms = fast ?100ms = slow ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members where02190 Posted December 31, 2005 Members Share Posted December 31, 2005 The shorter the time the faster the attack and release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jbr Posted January 1, 2006 Author Members Share Posted January 1, 2006 Originally posted by where02190 The shorter the time the faster the attack and release. Thanks for the post, and I understand that. But when I read for example, "..use a fast attack setting..." with no mention of ms, what is considered a common fast attack? 1ms, 10ms 25ms? That's what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted January 1, 2006 Members Share Posted January 1, 2006 Someone can jump in here if they want... - Under ~10ms is usually considered fast for Attack settings. This setting has the compressor clamping down on the audio very quickly, catching the initial peak with it. - Over ~50ms is usually considered slow for Attack settings. This can usually allow the transient peak to poke through before the compressor kicks in. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm sure you know this, but it bears repeating that you use your ear and adjust accordingly - maybe several times if necessary. It's all about listening, listening, listening.... Something that may help: Think of the compressor as less about squishing things and more about changing shapes of waveforms. This may help you to have a firm understanding of what a compressor is doing to your audio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted January 1, 2006 Members Share Posted January 1, 2006 P.S. I'll be honest here, I pretty much pulled those millisecond numbers out my ass. That's how I personally tend to think of "fast" and slow" Attack settings, and didn't get that from any manual or book or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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