Members kentuckyklira Posted May 20, 2008 Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 Gimme a few reasons why this is a fake, or is it actually an original '62 Strat? http://s209.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/kentuckyklira/62Strat/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted May 20, 2008 Moderators Share Posted May 20, 2008 Gimme a few reasons why this is a fake, or is it actually an original '62 Strat? http://s209.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/kentuckyklira/62Strat/ How many Patent numbers on the headstock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Professor Tom Posted May 20, 2008 Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 There are fakes around these days that have fooled genuine experts so I wouldn't be sure either way, especially from photographs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted May 20, 2008 Moderators Share Posted May 20, 2008 There are fakes around these days that have fooled genuine experts so I wouldn't be sure either way, especially from photographs. They aren't terribly difficult to fake really as there's sod all distinctive about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Andrewrg Posted May 20, 2008 Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 They aren't terribly difficult to fake really as there's sod all distinctive about them Indeed so; it's easy enough to get pots with 60's codes, old solder is easy to fake, paint jobs not so easy but do-able to the point where experts come to rely on infallible techniques like 'instinct' to do the appraisal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Professor Tom Posted May 20, 2008 Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 They aren't terribly difficult to fake really as there's sod all distinctive about them Yeah, they're only Fenders after all I suppose. Seriously I could probably tell by the sound, the feel and the resonance in the wood but not by looking from a distance or by looking at pics and even then I wouldn't be totally sure.I tell you Sean, I've seen fakes that would fool Phil Harris, I kid you not and they are everywhere, even in famous vintage guitar shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted May 20, 2008 Moderators Share Posted May 20, 2008 I kid you not and they are everywhere, even in famous vintage guitar shops. I know:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shellpink Posted May 20, 2008 Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 Everything looks too clean, especially the hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted May 20, 2008 Moderators Share Posted May 20, 2008 Everything looks too clean, especially the hardware. No, I've seen one with certified provenance that looks as good if not slightly better than that, albeit in white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members snglcoil Posted May 20, 2008 Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 I was screwed on a fake 62 Strat over a year ago. I do not consider myself to be an expert but I claim a lot of knowledge when it comes to vintage Fenders. Everything was perfect, Neck stamp, tuners, clay dots, correct decal w 3 pat. no's on headstock, Pat.pend.-stamped saddles, original nitro oly white w undercoat and nail holes, 'untouched' solder w era correct pots (dates and maker) etc. etc. Deal of a lifetime? Bought it, took it to a real expert, he was fooled too for quite a while complimenting me on the score until......well.....he found out that the thread for the truss rod bolt was metric...{censored}ing metric...on a preCBS Strat!!! Yeah right! it turned out it was a early JV series MIJ reissue Strat made to look like a '62. Seller was AWOL, I was short EUR 2500.-. I put the thing back in the (aftermarket) case, away in a closet and have not looked at it ever since. If the Strat shown in the OP is for sale, I strongly recommend taking it to an reputable expert first. If you need an adress in Germany, pm me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cephus Posted May 20, 2008 Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 I read that the tortoise pickguard layer shrinks on old guitars and that was a way to tell if it was really old. By the way, you spent 2500 euros on a '62 strat and you thought it was real? If someone sold you a diamond ring for a dime, I bet that ring isn't worth ten cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Professor Tom Posted May 20, 2008 Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 You can pick up 61/62 Strats in England with issues like refrets, rewound pickups, old refinishes etc. for about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members snglcoil Posted May 20, 2008 Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 I read that the tortoise pickguard layer shrinks on old guitars and that was a way to tell if it was really old.By the way, you spent 2500 euros on a '62 strat and you thought it was real?If someone sold you a diamond ring for a dime, I bet that ring isn't worth ten cents. I am not gonna elaborate on the circumstances, short version only: it seemed to be the equivalent to the lucky pawn shop or lawn sale find. To answer your question: Yes, and again, I know vintage Strats, I collect, buy and sell guitars, especially Strats for almost 25 years and I know the values, I was absolutely certain I had the deal of a lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cephus Posted May 20, 2008 Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 To answer your question: Yes, and again, I know vintage Strats, I collect, buy and sell guitars, especially Strats for almost 25 years and I know the values, I was absolutely certain I had the deal of a lifetime. I have played a couple real vintage pieces and I thought they were very different from my (now-pretty old) re-issue. However, in America, the only way we can tell quality of an item is how much it costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Monkeyman Joe Posted May 20, 2008 Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 if it's real it's the best condition 62' i've ever seen, but i'm not the biggest vintage fender-head. probably a re-issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members csm Posted May 20, 2008 Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 You can pick up 61/62 Strats in England with issues like refrets, rewound pickups, old refinishes etc. for about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundcreation Posted May 20, 2008 Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 I was screwed on a fake 62 Strat over a year ago. I do not consider myself to be an expert but I claim a lot of knowledge when it comes to vintage Fenders. Everything was perfect, Neck stamp, tuners, clay dots, correct decal w 3 pat. no's on headstock, Pat.pend.-stamped saddles, original nitro oly white w undercoat and nail holes, 'untouched' solder w era correct pots (dates and maker) etc. etc. Deal of a lifetime? Bought it, took it to a real expert, he was fooled too for quite a while complimenting me on the score until......well.....he found out that the thread for the truss rod bolt was metric...{censored}ing metric...on a preCBS Strat!!! Yeah right! it turned out it was a early JV series MIJ reissue Strat made to look like a '62. Seller was AWOL, I was short EUR 2500.-. I put the thing back in the (aftermarket) case, away in a closet and have not looked at it ever since. If the Strat shown in the OP is for sale, I strongly recommend taking it to an reputable expert first. If you need an adress in Germany, pm me. What kind of JV was it? ST85 or 115 hopefully. So maybe you got ripped off on it but if its a JV chances are its a pretty friggin nice guitar in its own right. Don't forget that at one point fender USA couldn't even make a guitar good enough to compete with that one, so all that was sold in the US was Japanese fenders. And the factory that made those tore apart original fenders to copy them right. Take that {censored}er out of the closet and play it. You might just be surprised how nice it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pekelnik Posted May 20, 2008 Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 If it is real, it was in a case. There is no color difference between where pickguard was and wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kentuckyklira Posted May 20, 2008 Author Members Share Posted May 20, 2008 Well, I guess it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Professor Tom Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 Refret? Check? Rewound pickup? Check. Refinish? Check. Sounds like my 63 ... Yours cost a lot less than Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted May 21, 2008 Moderators Share Posted May 21, 2008 one of the most reliable dealers on earth. Who is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Professor Tom Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 Who is this? I believe csm bought that Strat from Andy's Guitars, now sadly no longer with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members csm Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 I believe csm bought that Strat from Andy's Guitars, now sadly no longer with us. Correct -- for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Professor Tom Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 Correct -- for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J_Frusciante Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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