Members tremblox Posted August 11, 2005 Members Share Posted August 11, 2005 Hi - I'd be interested to hear where you folks make the intonation compromises on guitar. I could tune the guitar perfect at say the 5th fret and adjust saddles so that the fretted notes at the 17th fret are also in tune. I have thus achieved a pretty good tuning from frets 5 to 17 but the notes at the frets 4 to 1 and 17 to 21 will be progressively sharp and the open strings will be somewhat flat. That's the compromise. If I tune for example the 1 st fret to be perfect ( e.g from 1 to 21) then the open notes are going to be even more flat than in the example above. So where do you get the best tuning and where do you make the compromise? It's a matter of taste and I'd be interested to know where you draw your lines. Thanks. Tremblox PS Anyone who intonates by looking at the difference between the 12th fret flageolet and the fretted note really should not reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ancient Mariner Posted August 11, 2005 Members Share Posted August 11, 2005 Originally posted by tremblox PS Anyone who intonates by looking at the difference between the 12th fret flageolet and the fretted note really should not reply. Make up your mind - do you want people's opinions or not? I intonate using the 12th fret because if it's in there then it'll be *close enough* at the 5th and 17th. However I also intonate intentionally a touch flat at the 12th. The reason is that I tend to fret hard, and going a touch flat means that most of the time the intonation actually turns out dead on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members '56Goldtop Posted August 11, 2005 Members Share Posted August 11, 2005 Originally posted by tremblox Anyone who intonates by looking at the difference between the 12th fret flageolet and the fretted note really should not reply. As you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Matter-Eater Lad Posted August 11, 2005 Members Share Posted August 11, 2005 I use the harmonic & fretted note comparison at the 19th fret. I feel it's more accurate than 12th fret based adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeadNight Warrior Posted August 11, 2005 Members Share Posted August 11, 2005 Originally posted by Matter-Eater Lad I use the harmonic & fretted note comparison at the 19th fret. I feel it's more accurate than 12th fret based adjustments. Yeah, I tend to use the 19th fret too I think. Who adjusts intonation by ear, and who uses a tuner? I use my ear, partly because my tuner's just not really good enough. I find it much easier to just trust my own sense of pitch rather than trying to get the stupid tuner's LEDs to make up their frickin' mind as to what the situation is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shovelhead Posted August 11, 2005 Members Share Posted August 11, 2005 I turn the gain and volume up on my amp, and the intonation fixes itself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pizza Combo Posted August 11, 2005 Members Share Posted August 11, 2005 Originally posted by Shovelhead I turn the gain and volume up on my amp, and the intonation fixes itself... good old school:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Matter-Eater Lad Posted August 11, 2005 Members Share Posted August 11, 2005 Originally posted by DeadNight Warrior Yeah, I tend to use the 19th fret too I think. Who adjusts intonation by ear, and who uses a tuner? I use my ear, partly because my tuner's just not really good enough. I find it much easier to just trust my own sense of pitch rather than trying to get the stupid tuner's LEDs to make up their frickin' mind as to what the situation is. I have done that when I was frustrated by the tuners wobbling around. It's actually pretty easy to get it with my ear and even if it's not strobe-tuner-perfect, it's close enough for a guitar which can never be perfect anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DonP Posted August 11, 2005 Members Share Posted August 11, 2005 Originally posted by Shovelhead I turn the gain and volume up on my amp, and the intonation fixes itself... LOL! I'm glad I don't have anal ears that pick up everything. I just get close enough an go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Godot Posted August 11, 2005 Members Share Posted August 11, 2005 Originally posted by DonP LOL!I'm glad I don't have anal ears that pick up everything. I just get close enough an go. Yup. Close enough for rock and roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The_Whale Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 If you don't play way up the neck, there's no reason for the intonation to be good way up the neck. I intonate this way: Tune open strings.Fret a B chord at the 7th fret, and check each string for pitch.Adjust intonation for any string that isn't perfect.repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tremblox Posted August 12, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Anyone here use the Buzz Feiten offsets ? Care to comment ? Tremblox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BC Powder Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 I play a Tele with a vintage style 3 saddle bridge. I gave up on having perfect intonation awhile back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tremblox Posted August 12, 2005 Author Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Originally posted by BC Powder I play a Tele with a vintage style 3 saddle bridge. I gave up on having perfect intonation awhile back. Those dual vintage saddles help to give the Tele, "The Tele tone". I can't help wondering how much the out-of-tune nature is a part of that tone. A bit like a honky-tonk piano. Tremblox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zimphire Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Originally posted by Matter-Eater Lad I use the harmonic & fretted note comparison at the 19th fret. I feel it's more accurate than 12th fret based adjustments. I do it at the 12th, THEN the 19th to fine tune it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members killak Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 My jaguar tends to self adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BowerR64 Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Originally posted by Shovelhead I turn the gain and volume up on my amp, and the intonation fixes itself... Thats awsome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BC Powder Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Originally posted by tremblox Those dual vintage saddles help to give the Tele, "The Tele tone". I can't help wondering how much the out-of-tune nature is a part of that tone. A bit like a honky-tonk piano. Tremblox Agreed, I can't stand a Tele with a "modern" 6 saddle bridge. At least compensated saddles can get you a little closer on the intonation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dick Long Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 I take it to a pro -- somebody that knows what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HypnoToad Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Originally posted by DeadNight Warrior Yeah, I tend to use the 19th fret too I think. Who adjusts intonation by ear, and who uses a tuner? I use my ear, partly because my tuner's just not really good enough. I find it much easier to just trust my own sense of pitch rather than trying to get the stupid tuner's LEDs to make up their frickin' mind as to what the situation is. I always use my ear, don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jpp413 Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Originally posted by tremblox PS Anyone who intonates by looking at the difference between the 12th fret flageolet and the fretted note really should not reply. Guess that leaves me out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members warriorxtman Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 Originally posted by Ancient Mariner Make up your mind - do you want people's opinions or not?I intonate using the 12th fret because if it's in there then it'll be *close enough* at the 5th and 17th. However I also intonate intentionally a touch flat at the 12th. The reason is that I tend to fret hard, and going a touch flat means that most of the time the intonation actually turns out dead on. Why not fret hard at the 12th when doing the intonation in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WHY_U_TRY Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 I use the 12th fret method and a really good tuner...and if you are having problems with frets down by the nut, it has more to do with your nut probably not being cut correctly and that needs adjustment...I would never trust anyone using their ear for this process, at least if you want it professionaly done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cdp Posted August 12, 2005 Members Share Posted August 12, 2005 ...when the little light on my korg rack-mount tuner stops blinking and stays lit solid - I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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