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  • Tuner Upgrade for Cheap Epi SG?

    So, I got one of those $89 SG Juniors at Guitar Center...was kind of taken with it when I played it. Never had a humbucker guitar before, and while it's not going to replace my strat or my tele, it's just a fun change of pace.

    So while I'm content with most of it for the price, I don't think I can live with those tuners. What should I put in it that would function satisfactorily without a huge price tag?

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    Grovers.
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    • #3
      wilkinson are the cheapest i've found that work well
      the epi tuners are kinda odd though, so you may end up with an extra screw hole with no matter what you replace them with.
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      • #4
        A great luthier and tech I know gave me some advice once, he said that most "modern" tuners were just fine. As long as they don't slip, they are fine, and that includes most modern production tuners. He said that the NUT was where most tuning issues arise. That said, if you want something that has the look and feel of quality, but don't want to pay the price of the guitar over again...the wilkenson's mentioned above are the ticket IMO.
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          A great luthier and tech I know gave me some advice once, he said that most "modern" tuners were just fine. As long as they don't slip, they are fine, and that includes most modern production tuners. He said that the NUT was where most tuning issues arise. That said, if you want something that has the look and feel of quality, but don't want to pay the price of the guitar over again...the wilkenson's mentioned above are the ticket IMO.


          completely agree with this as well. I have 2 of the Epi SG Jr's, and those cheap Epi tuners are very stiff, mine stick all the time.
          I've always left my tuners alone and just made sure that I have a bone or tusq nut, as long as the tuners don't stick.
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          • #6
            As above...and tune up to the note never down to the note.
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            • #7
              wilkinson's from here:

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              • #8
                Thanks all for the help...as the price is certainly right, I'll go with the wilkinsons if I don't find something more premium at a good used price or something. And I'm definitely planning to replace the nut as well.

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                • #9
                  A set of Ping's would be my choice. They can usually be had for about $20
                  and they hold tune very well.
                  http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000EEJDBO/?tag=hyprod-20&hvadid=15468033939&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&h vrand=289485036375542567&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&re f=asc_df_B000EEJDBO

                  And in some cases less than $10:
                  http://www.amazon.com/Chrome-Guitar-String-Tuning-Machine/dp/B005LMPB9M/ref=pd_cp_MI_0
                  and these have that angled screw

                  and I just stumbled upon this thread:
                  http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?2944344-23-Epiphone-quot-Upgrade-quot
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                    A set of Ping's would be my choice. They can usually be had for about $20
                    and they hold tune very well.
                    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000EEJDBO/?tag=hyprod-20&hvadid=15468033939&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&h vrand=289485036375542567&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&re f=asc_df_B000EEJDBO

                    And in some cases less than $10:
                    http://www.amazon.com/Chrome-Guitar-String-Tuning-Machine/dp/B005LMPB9M/ref=pd_cp_MI_0
                    and these have that angled screw

                    and I just stumbled upon this thread:
                    http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?2944344-23-Epiphone-quot-Upgrade-quot

                    The Pings work pretty well. Heck, Taylor uses them for OEM on their $$$ acoustics...
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                      ... most "modern" tuners were just fine. As long as they don't slip, they are fine, and that includes most modern production tuners. He said that the NUT was where most tuning issues arise...
                      Agreed...the nut, and just have to add proper string winding to the fray .... improperly wound strings make many think their tuners are at fault...
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                      • #12
                        As long as the tuners aren't loose, rattling or wonky they are probably fine. They might not last as long as Grovers, Schallers or Sperzel but for a few years I'm sure they'll do the job. Also, expensive tuners tend to be smoother and have a more precise gear ratio, but that's more icing on the cake in my book.

                        As other have said, tuning stability has more to do with a quality setup (including a properly adjusted nut with polished grooves) and how you attach the strings to the tuners. If the nut is made from a cheap plastic it probably won't polish, changing it to Graphtech TUSQ or Corian might help.
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                        • #13
                          Schaller copies of Klusons, hi quality and original look
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                          • #14
                            Are you:

                            1) wrapping your strings around the post properly during changes?
                            2) sure your nut isn't binding?

                            It's kinda unheard of for worm-gear tuners to 'slip'. More often it's bad restringing practices and/or a poorly cut nut which are responsible for poor tuning stability.

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                            • #15
                              SGs can have a tendency to be neck-heavy - depending on what yours feels like you might not want to use heavy tuners like Grovers as this can make the strap slippage/neck dive problem a bit worse.

                              But I agree - the ones on there already are probably fine. Lube up the nut first.

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