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  • #16

    Friday I plan to drive two hours to the nearest Tech 21 dealer and sit down with the four originals- British, Blonde, Liverpool, and Cali- to see which one I want to buy and run direct. I'll report back on my findings.


    For me, the Blonde and Liverpool really seem to stand out, the California kinda ok but the British sounds very fake to my ears. If you like Marshall, try the Hot British, it was only 30$ more at the store. Only does distortion though.

    Have fun and post back here in my thread, I'm curious.
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    Originally Posted by cratz2


    Your shirt is the manliest shirt I've ever witnessed.
    And the fact that you haven't punched Cockbobbler Chickenguy in the naughty bits for making fun of it proves how much of a stud you truly are.

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    • #17
      To the guys with the links, thanks a lot, I didn't think many pedals did the Mesa thing, I will have to look at these.
      The V-Twin doesn't even sound Mesa and is incredibly expensive?????
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      Originally Posted by cratz2


      Your shirt is the manliest shirt I've ever witnessed.
      And the fact that you haven't punched Cockbobbler Chickenguy in the naughty bits for making fun of it proves how much of a stud you truly are.

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      • #18
        I've played through a Liverpool.

        First, it's not a stompbox but a flavored DI, so don't expect to punch in and out for solos.
        Second, as an "amp" it only has one channel at a time; there's no way to switch from "clean" to "Brian May" on the fly except getting on your knees and fiddling about.
        Third, as an "amp" it replaces the 50 lbs you're carrying with a 3 lb substitute. It takes pedals like an amp does, so what do you use now to get those sounds?
        Fourth, all that said it sounds pretty good.
        Those who made and endorsed our Constitution knew man's nature, and it is to their ideas, rather than to the temptations of utopia, that we must ask that our judges adhere.

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        • #19
          For me, the Blonde and Liverpool really seem to stand out, the California kinda ok but the British sounds very fake to my ears. If you like Marshall, try the Hot British, it was only 30$ more at the store. Only does distortion though.

          Have fun and post back here in my thread, I'm curious.


          The Blonde just never tickled my fancy. It seems to have nice cleans as expected, and even a nice creamy edge of breakup tone... but the full distortion isn't very interesting to my ears. Yes, I plan to use it with pedals out front, but if I shell out $150 on this box, I want to make sure I can use it 20 ways or more.

          Everything will depend on the play test, especially since I've armed myself with a lot of information. When I first played the M13, I didn't like it at all, but then I spent a little more time with the M9 and came around a bit. Finally, after gaining a little knowledge, I sat down with the M13 in the store, dialed in some cool tones, and ended up walking out with the M9 in hand. From what I understand, these pedals just need a lot of tweaking. I'll have to make sure I can run them into a PA or keyboard amp... not a guitar amp (or even an effects loop return).
          Guitars: Gibson Les Paul Traditional Pro, Epiphone Les Paul Standard (for sale), Fender Stratocaster, Ibanez AF75 (for sale), Alvarez Artist, Washburn Taurus, Fender Precision, Rogue MandolinAmps: Traynor YCV40WR, SWR LA12, Behringer BX3000T head/Steel Sound 2x12 bass cabPedals: Too many to list...Good deals: knives490, slufay, Jim Hunter, deadanddreaming, lank81, MickTaylorFan, jmecale72, billy budapest, melx, CRANK, Mdsmithii, juankyman

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          • #20
            The Blonde just never tickled my fancy. It seems to have nice cleans as expected, and even a nice creamy edge of breakup tone... but the full distortion isn't very interesting to my ears. Yes, I plan to use it with pedals out front, but if I shell out $150 on this box, I want to make sure I can use it 20 ways or more.

            Everything will depend on the play test, especially since I've armed myself with a lot of information. When I first played the M13, I didn't like it at all, but then I spent a little more time with the M9 and came around a bit. Finally, after gaining a little knowledge, I sat down with the M13 in the store, dialed in some cool tones, and ended up walking out with the M9 in hand. From what I understand, these pedals just need a lot of tweaking. I'll have to make sure I can run them into a PA or keyboard amp... not a guitar amp (or even an effects loop return).

            The Burger video sounds very nice to me, even the heavy riffing, but I've never had a "real" Fender amp, so I guess I don't really know.

            I don't know what the M are.

            These Tech21 are meant to sound better plugged in powered speakers, direct, soundcard, etc... with full frequency speakers, not a guitar amp like I'm intending to use it with. Hope that helps.

            I'm sure they'll have a powered speaker or Tech 21 Trademark "amp" thing for trying out the pedals, that way you'll get the most out of it, without any guitar amp coloration. I might go that route myself if I end up liking the sound that much.
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            Washburn Sonic 7 > V847 > Tube King > Nano Stone > Fender Champ 600







            Originally Posted by cratz2


            Your shirt is the manliest shirt I've ever witnessed.
            And the fact that you haven't punched Cockbobbler Chickenguy in the naughty bits for making fun of it proves how much of a stud you truly are.

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            • #21
              So I sat down with the four originals today. I was very surprised.

              They set me up with a Roland Cube 80, so I set it to acoustic with a flat EQ and started testing. After an hour, I ended up taking back the two that I thought would be my favorites- the Liverpool and California. I then grabbed my Line 6 M9 to put it in front of the British and Blonde, and ended up walking out with the Blonde.

              The Liverpool was incredible bright when clean, and its dirt sounded almost identical to my Traynor's dirty channel. The California had the widest range from clean to hi-gain, but it had a definite mid scoop, no matter what the EQ settings. Not unpleasant on either, but not what I was looking for. The British had a really nice breakup, but the Blonde eventually won out with what I considered the most tube-like clean tone and still a great mid- and high-gain tone (plus a different dirt flavor than anything on my board or my amp). It also took pedals best out of the last two.

              An unexpected bonus- I threw it in the effects loop of my bass amp thinking that the "Bassman" WAS originally a bass amp, and it sounds fantastic! I have a bass gig tonight with my blues rock band, and I think I'll take the Blonde with me instead of my M9. With the character knob turned to the left and gain cranked to the right, it's an interesting synth-like fuzz, just like cranking a Class A tube amp, but without the volume.

              Regarding the guitar amp thing, it seems to work a lot better in the effects loop believe it or not.
              Guitars: Gibson Les Paul Traditional Pro, Epiphone Les Paul Standard (for sale), Fender Stratocaster, Ibanez AF75 (for sale), Alvarez Artist, Washburn Taurus, Fender Precision, Rogue MandolinAmps: Traynor YCV40WR, SWR LA12, Behringer BX3000T head/Steel Sound 2x12 bass cabPedals: Too many to list...Good deals: knives490, slufay, Jim Hunter, deadanddreaming, lank81, MickTaylorFan, jmecale72, billy budapest, melx, CRANK, Mdsmithii, juankyman

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              • #22
                Super cool, I really like my Liverpool too. Pushing the gain on a low Character setting just gives so much body to the notes without even breaking up. In front of the amp, the more distorted tones do not sound as good, but the Champ is very mellow, so it makes sense.

                We're both happy, thanks for writing. About the California, how smooth does it sound in moderate gain, like a fat wide Santana, really? It's one sound I can't get with either the Liverpool or the Hot British.

                Report again after the gig!
                Founding member of the HC Seven-String Syndicate
                Founding member of the HC Scalloped Squadron
                Washburn Sonic 7 > V847 > Tube King > Nano Stone > Fender Champ 600







                Originally Posted by cratz2


                Your shirt is the manliest shirt I've ever witnessed.
                And the fact that you haven't punched Cockbobbler Chickenguy in the naughty bits for making fun of it proves how much of a stud you truly are.

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                • #23
                  Okay, so I played the gig last night, and things went a little differently than planned. I showed up to the venue and discovered that the stage wasn't big enough to fit my bass amp on there. Thus, I decided to go direct (they had great subs and a soundman who was competent- a great departure for us). I ran bass > Blonde > DI > PA. The sound was fat, articulate, and sounded much better than I usually do when going direct. On lower character settings, the Blonde is pretty boomy, but a little bit of roll off on the bass setting smoothed it out.

                  One thing I forgot to mention in my quick review above- the EQ knobs are exceedingly sensitive. The tiniest turn can rival the entire range of many stompbox or amp EQ knobs. This allows for really extreme modification of tone, but does require some finesse to dial in exactly what you're looking for.

                  All in all, I'm very happy so far, but the REAL test is church tomorrow morning, going direct from my pedalboard into the Blonde and then to the PA.
                  Guitars: Gibson Les Paul Traditional Pro, Epiphone Les Paul Standard (for sale), Fender Stratocaster, Ibanez AF75 (for sale), Alvarez Artist, Washburn Taurus, Fender Precision, Rogue MandolinAmps: Traynor YCV40WR, SWR LA12, Behringer BX3000T head/Steel Sound 2x12 bass cabPedals: Too many to list...Good deals: knives490, slufay, Jim Hunter, deadanddreaming, lank81, MickTaylorFan, jmecale72, billy budapest, melx, CRANK, Mdsmithii, juankyman

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                  • #24
                    I think the new ones (leeds, steel, oxford) will be the ones to watch for. Saw a demo of the steel doing both cleans and metal pretty well.

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                    • #25
                      All in all, I'm very happy so far, but the REAL test is church tomorrow morning, going direct from my pedalboard into the Blonde and then to the PA.


                      Glad it worked out for you on bass last night. I'm looking forward to hearing how it goes at your church. They are great pedals! I use the Liverpool direct at my church regularly and am very happy with the sound. I've been tempted to check out the Blonde as well one of these days.

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                      • #26
                        I think the new ones (leeds, steel, oxford) will be the ones to watch for. Saw a demo of the steel doing both cleans and metal pretty well.


                        Plus they will have the option to turn off speaker emulation, which will eliminate the need to put the pedal in the effects loop and increase its usefulness in a "normal" setup (ie, guitar > pedals > amp).
                        Guitars: Gibson Les Paul Traditional Pro, Epiphone Les Paul Standard (for sale), Fender Stratocaster, Ibanez AF75 (for sale), Alvarez Artist, Washburn Taurus, Fender Precision, Rogue MandolinAmps: Traynor YCV40WR, SWR LA12, Behringer BX3000T head/Steel Sound 2x12 bass cabPedals: Too many to list...Good deals: knives490, slufay, Jim Hunter, deadanddreaming, lank81, MickTaylorFan, jmecale72, billy budapest, melx, CRANK, Mdsmithii, juankyman

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                        • #27
                          So, how did church go?
                          Those who made and endorsed our Constitution knew man's nature, and it is to their ideas, rather than to the temptations of utopia, that we must ask that our judges adhere.

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                          • #28
                            So, how did church go?


                            Thanks for the reminder- I had lost track of this thread.

                            Church was interesting. I was really unhappy with my tone at first- I was using my new Direct Drive into the Blonde into the PA, but my monitor was a crappy Hot Spot. All I was getting out of the monitor was fuzz- no definition, no clarity. After first service, I listened to the recording, and it was clean. Not a fantastic tone, by any means, but WAY better than what I was getting through the monitor. Second service went the same way, even though I went into the back between services and tweaked the Direct Drive to a decent tone. Once I went back to the PA, it was sludge.

                            Frustrated, I came back home, plugged up a PA head and monitor wedge, and started working. I ran it back and forth against my Traynor, and although I was never able to get it anywhere even CLOSE to my Traynor (don't know why it would, being a Fender sim), I was able to get a pretty good pushed amp tone that takes pedals well.

                            The EQ knobs are SO sensitive. Just a touch does it- that's why you see all the demos running every knob at noon. Get too far away from noon and things start getting extreme. I've discovered that the character knob is a better way to get in the EQ ballpark, and then you can use the EQ to tweak to taste.

                            Anyway, the end result is a product I could run direct that sounds at least as good as my Valve Jr, and takes pedals better. Now I need to spend a little more time with the Direct Drive to get it really good and dialed in. Oh, and I think I may bring a wedge monitor to church with me next time to see if that helps.
                            Guitars: Gibson Les Paul Traditional Pro, Epiphone Les Paul Standard (for sale), Fender Stratocaster, Ibanez AF75 (for sale), Alvarez Artist, Washburn Taurus, Fender Precision, Rogue MandolinAmps: Traynor YCV40WR, SWR LA12, Behringer BX3000T head/Steel Sound 2x12 bass cabPedals: Too many to list...Good deals: knives490, slufay, Jim Hunter, deadanddreaming, lank81, MickTaylorFan, jmecale72, billy budapest, melx, CRANK, Mdsmithii, juankyman

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