Members gnugear Posted September 27, 2005 Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 Anyone compare the two? I just won an auction for 4 black backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keith335 Posted September 27, 2005 Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 I just got a 4x12 cab from the late 70s with black backs. I'm wondering the same thing. How many watts are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sixty2strat Posted September 27, 2005 Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 Blacks are just latter greens the real issue is are they G12m(25 watt) or G12H (30watt). no matter what they are great speakers maybe not pre rola celestions, with the green back cachet and the 30 have a different VC in the late 70's, they have some who are not fans but better than anything C makes in china. got a set of H and a set of RI green backs ...they destroy the RI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lenduffy Posted September 27, 2005 Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 I have a cab w/ 78 Blackbacks and a newer cab w/ reissue Greenies. IMO....the blackbacks I have sound a bit darker than the greens. The greens have a lot of bite...the blacks are abit smoother and rounder to my ear. THE perfect match for my SLO. Just curious....what did you pay for the quad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sixty2strat Posted September 27, 2005 Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 Originally posted by lenduffy I have a cab w/ 78 Blackbacks and a newer cab w/ reissue Greenies. IMO....the blackbacks I have sound a bit darker than the greens. The greens have a lot of bite...the blacks are abit smoother and rounder to my ear. THE perfect match for my SLO.Just curious....what did you pay for the quad? perfect description ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members psychodave Posted September 27, 2005 Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 Black backs are usually brighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gnugear Posted September 27, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 I got the quad for $450 ... and they're G12Ms with the 55hz bass cones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bmf5150 Posted September 27, 2005 Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 Originally posted by gnugear I got the quad for $450 ... and they're G12Ms with the 55hz bass cones. you bum!!!!!lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members psychodave Posted September 27, 2005 Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 Originally posted by gnugear I got the quad for $450 ... and they're G12Ms with the 55hz bass cones. They should sound good! What cab are you putting them in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gnugear Posted September 27, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 Ah, I thought you would never ask ... I just picked up a '68 straight basketweave cab. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members clay_finley Posted September 27, 2005 Members Share Posted September 27, 2005 Originally posted by gnugear Ah, I thought you would never ask ... I just picked up a '68 straight basketweave cab. :D Rock on !!! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hair of the dog Posted September 28, 2008 Members Share Posted September 28, 2008 55hz bass cones...what does that mean ? Is that the bass response ? Is that much ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted September 28, 2008 Members Share Posted September 28, 2008 ok, here's the skinny. celestion used some different plastic backs because they were running out of greens and the speakers are no different, except that most but not all blackbacks are G12H30's and most but not all creambacks are greenbacks. I have a 76' with crembacks. The age seems to have mellowed them quite a bit more than new greenbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted September 28, 2008 Members Share Posted September 28, 2008 55hz bass cones...what does that mean ? Is that the bass response ? Is that much ? the 55hz is the resonance. I believe that is the bass G12H30- which is quite coveted among guitar players. I believe Hendrix and page were a fan of them. Good score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bmf5150 Posted September 28, 2008 Members Share Posted September 28, 2008 jus buy the weber pre rola greenback,there based off of the late 60s 003 coned greenbacks and sound dead on.i have not found a better speakers for that sound..black backs are brighter and more upper mids to my ears.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted September 28, 2008 Members Share Posted September 28, 2008 From Celestion's web site: "My G12Ms have got black covers, how are they different to the Greenback? Although the standard colour for G12M rear covers was green ('field green' it was called originally), G12M and G12H speakers were also made with black, as well as grey, beige and cream rear covers at various times. This was probably due to a shortage of the correct colour plastic to make them from (e.g. late delivery of the raw material). The different colour covers were only a cosmetic change not affecting the acoustic performance of the speakers in any way. Black, grey, cream, beige or green, they're all 'Greenbacks'." Adam Jones is reputed to have blackbacks in his marshall cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pete Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 I have a cab w/ 78 Blackbacks and a newer cab w/ reissue Greenies. IMO....the blackbacks I have sound a bit darker than the greens. The greens have a lot of bite...the blacks are abit smoother and rounder to my ear. THE perfect match for my SLO. You hit the nail on the head with that one.....blackbacks are definitely darker sounding compared to greenbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SQUAREHEAD Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 I got the quad for $450 ... and they're G12Ms with the 55hz bass cones. Those are the best sounding 25 watters of all time in my opinion!!! Great score!!! Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 Those are the best sounding 25 watters of all time in my opinion!!!Great score!!!Keith 55hz cones were on the 30-watters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Purplexi Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 Now how about celebrating with a victory clip?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ALMOST HUMAN Posted March 9, 2009 Members Share Posted March 9, 2009 Hi Ya'll I am on older professional guitar player from Adelaide, Australia, that dropped out of the industry for about 10 years and have now found myself getting back into it. All those years ago, I sold my early Marshall stuff. Old grey-cloth cabs, heads, the lot for silly prices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members clay_finley Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 Go to Celestion's Dr. Decibel and select Chassis Date Codes. Blackbacks started around 75/76 and went thru the end of the 70's. EJ28 = May 28, 1976 if I'm reading it right. Plastic corners started in '73. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members clay_finley Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 Those casters are also 70's casters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members omotemanji Posted June 3, 2009 Members Share Posted June 3, 2009 Jimi Hendrix played with G12H (30w) and also played a plexi of which Adam's '76 super bass is based on(circuitry). The superbass has more low end and plus his is modded as well. But if you listen to the tone of Jimi and the tone of Adam they are very similar in that their leads are liquid and has an overall dark character. I would be willing to bet money that Adam runs g12h30's "blackbacks" in his Marshall cab. They may even be in his mesa cabinets(Stiletto). By the way who ever said adam's tone is bright should listen a little harder. Here's celestion's description of the G12H. "It Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members liamlw Posted June 3, 2009 Members Share Posted June 3, 2009 same as the greenback different colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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