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  • I need a good "smart" harmonizer

    This may sound stubborn, but im one of the people that believe you shouldn't do something on a recording, if you can't do it live, may sound stupid to some of you, but thats just the way I look at things. (take for example, as i lay dying, opening up for in flames, and not doing the crazy double bass in the song 94 hrs...)

    On that note, I don't know much about harmonizers. Alot of the bands i listen to, have 2 part guitar harmonies ,but then another guitar in the background doing the rhythm section. I figure, the only way i can pull off this same effect in a 2 guitar band, is to use a harmonizer. Can someone tell me how a harmonizer works? how do i tell it to harmonize with a a major 3rd when I play a G in one part of a song, but with a flat 3rd in another part of a song? is that possible to do? Do harmonizers Idenitify with key signatures? I could use alittle help, thanks guys


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  • #2
    Dont know but a good harmonizer like an Eventide costs too much for me.

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    • #3
      There are many that can do what you are talking about....
      Mainly the Eventides and TC Electronic G Force...
      Both can be programmed for whatever scales you play in for a set song... You can even make up scales and assign specific harmonies to each note....
      I use an Eventide GTR4000 mainly for harmonies...But a G Force will also do it.
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      • #4
        Regarding your question about different harmony intervals in the different parts of the same song, just look for a harmonizer with MIDI control, and the ability to save user presets/patches.

        You can then program the required Major Third in G, and Minor Third in G patches, and change between them at will.

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        • #5
          thanks guys that sounds pretty damn sweet, but quite complicated How much are the TC units? and would the G major be just as good? I could get all my effects, and harmonization in one rack, that would be nice


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          • #6
            The GMajor isnt Intellegent I dont beleive, so Probably wouldnt be a whole lot better than your Whammy Pedal.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Shask
              The GMajor isnt Intellegent I dont beleive, so Probably wouldnt be a whole lot better than your Whammy Pedal.



              im surprised more people havent said why not just your whammy haha. but while that does indeed sound cool, it doesnt do the trick obviously like a smart harmonizer. I'd love to get one of these TC units. what do alot of the "big" melodic death guys use? I know alot of them just do the harmonies themselves ( as do i with the other guitarist in my band), but how about for the ones that don't?


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              • #8
                if you want to go cheap? the boss super shifter is intelligent for major and minor scales.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rockys Mob
                  if you want to go cheap? the boss super shifter is intelligent for major and minor scales.




                  funny you should mention that after i just looked at the price of the ****************ing G Force..........****************
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                  • #10
                    Just harmonize all of your notes...You can do it live..

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                    • #11
                      Have the Bass Harmonize the lines with you
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Shask
                        Have the Bass Harmonize the lines with you


                        thats what i do

                        it doesnt work with really complicated **************** or solos, but i give the bass player the lower notes of the harmony, and i do the higher ones and it sounds more than OK.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Shask
                          Have the Bass Harmonize the lines with you




                          hmm, thats a hell of an idea, i dont know why i havent thought of that
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                          • #14
                            I'm using a Rocktron Intellipitch since some years now. Its intelligent, made by WaveLabs (same as TC harmonizers in the Force I believe), has 10 or 12 sclaes, is a 19" unit, understands midi - and is MUCH better than all the pedal stuff available. Not an Eventide of course, but fits my needs perfectly.

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                            • #15
                              I use a TC-Helicon Quintet for harmonies. You can control it via midi and it's simple to program - just select 'scale mode', chose the key in which you're playing and the voice(s) you want to add.

                              It's made for vocals, but works well with guitar, too. Bought it for around 200 EUR on Ebay and was amazed how good it sounds - great value for the money imo. An Eventide or a G-Force would've been overkill for me, because I need it just for a band where I play 'part-time'.

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