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  • #16






    Quote Originally Posted by Stonedtone
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    I replaced the 34's in my Rivera Chubster with 6CA7's. I think that is the tone you're looking for. It made the amp very warm JJ's




    so the JJ 6CA7's or some other brand?
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    • #17






      Quote Originally Posted by ENdtime
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      Totally disagree. You have a xxx, right? If you can't hear and feel a difference between different tubes in that amp with it loaded then I guess you are missing out on the little things.. it's definitely noticeable in that amp.. The low end depth between them all being the most noticeable initially and the mid range grit of the el34s compared to the 6l6 literally jumps out at me when I switched between them. I'd say it's akin to a pickup swap. Sure, some pickup swaps are felt more than heard, but certain pickups like a PAF and an X2N is noticeable on all levels.. I have had different tubes produce that effect



      For me the kt77s compared to el34s I had (which btw, I feel even different brands among el34s can be quite different. To me it's the most varied power tube) was a pretty big change. It smoothed the mids and highs and added more chunk. Lost a little crunch but not much.. And The clean tone was much warmer. the kt77s when clean actually have a touch more presence to my ears, but it's actually a good thing as it brings that"sparkle" and depth that usually bodes well for clean




      I agree that amp sounds very different with EL-34s and 6L6s. My point was Ive never been able to tell a noticable difference between different brands of the same tube.

      Btw , I have a XXX with 6L6s and a XXX with KT77s and I MUCH prefer the 6L6s. More girth and midrange where as the KT77s are definitely a lot brighter and snappier. But comparing the KT77 to an EL-34 , I can tell very little difference.
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      • #18
        I agree that the KT77's will be the closest to an EL34 but will give you better cleans. 6CA7 is definitely worth a try, for sure. I haven't quite decided which I prefer between those two for tubes that can replace an EL34 without mods.



        All that said, what you really meant to ask is which brand of 6L6 you should be buying
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        • #19






          Quote Originally Posted by Mike LX-R
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          All that said, what you really meant to ask is which brand of 6L6 you should be buying




          I disagree, some of the best clean tones I've ever heard came from EL34's.
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          • #20






            Quote Originally Posted by Kardula
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            I disagree, some of the best clean tones I've ever heard came from EL34's.




            I know it's possible and has more to do with tastes than anything. Just joshing you is all. But typically, and you can't deny, the tube that gets the roundest fattest clean tone is a 6L6, maybe a KT88 or one of those uber fat tubes would have something else to say about that though.
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            • #21
              I can tell the difference in some of the different EL34's but it is nothing major, however the Winged C's and the Ruby EL34's seem to make a fairly big difference. Those are my favorite EL34's b/c they just sound bigger and tighter without and muddy lows or spikey highs. As far as the best cleans, yeah the 6L6 is the best ,but the Winged C EL34's are ****************ing nice also. They are pricey though.
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              • #22






                Quote Originally Posted by Mike LX-R
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                I know it's possible and has more to do with tastes than anything. Just joshing you is all. But typically, and you can't deny, the tube that gets the roundest fattest clean tone is a 6L6, maybe a KT88 or one of those uber fat tubes would have something else to say about that though.




                nah, i definitely agree that the standard great cleans are from 6l6's...specifically the fender twin.
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                • #23






                  Quote Originally Posted by Kardula
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                  so the JJ 6CA7's or some other brand?




                  The JJ's worked great in my Rivera

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                  • #24






                    Quote Originally Posted by Norton666
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                    I agree that amp sounds very different with EL-34s and 6L6s. My point was Ive never been able to tell a noticable difference between different brands of the same tube.

                    Btw , I have a XXX with 6L6s and a XXX with KT77s and I MUCH prefer the 6L6s. More girth and midrange where as the KT77s are definitely a lot brighter and snappier. But comparing the KT77 to an EL-34 , I can tell very little difference.




                    Ok. It read like all power tubes sound relatively similar to you.. But I still disagree about the difference of an el34 an the kt77s.. To me the kt77s really did make the xxx into the amp I really like.. The chunk and warmth of the kt77s were much improved.. But I do also like the amp with 6l6..



                    Anyway, sorry to be off topic. So back to the OP, I still think a kt77 should do what your are looking for, but as was said, all amps are designed a bit different and not all will respond the same. then factor in the imperfection of tubes and really you have about a 50/50 chance!haha
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                    • #25
                      Buy a cheap EQ pedal

                      Place in loop

                      Scoop mids

                      Chimey cleans await



                      Chances are your amp has a very high upper mid range emphasis which sounds **************** and muddy for cleans.
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                      • #26
                        Buy a cheap EQ pedal

                        Place in loop

                        Scoop mids

                        Chimey cleans await



                        Chances are your amp has a very high upper mid range emphasis which sounds **************** and muddy for cleans.
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                        • #27






                          Quote Originally Posted by Zozobra
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                          Buy a cheap EQ pedal

                          Place in loop

                          Scoop mids

                          Chimey cleans await



                          Chances are your amp has a very high upper mid range emphasis which sounds **************** and muddy for cleans.




                          I disagree, but you be the judge. I really like the clean tone I get now, I'm just looking for tubes that will add a little something to it, and since my current tubes are crapping out on me I might as well start looking now




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                          • #28






                            Quote Originally Posted by Kardula
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                            I disagree, but you be the judge. I really like the clean tone I get now, I'm just looking for tubes that will add a little something to it, and since my current tubes are crapping out on me I might as well start looking now




                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBsH5JVbad4




                            Sounds like good cleans to me



                            Definitely has that EL-34 sound to me
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                            • #29
                              check out the JJ and EHX 6ca7 - the big bottle ones. I put a quad of the EH tubes in my Bedrock 1200 hoping it would clean up and its very nice. Very 6L6-ish. also you can get a quad for around $80



                              The KT77's - which I tried in my old bedrock - were fizzy and too bassy
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