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  • #46
    I'm not fond of cookie monster vocals...


    I didn't know Dijkembe Mutumbo sings? Hmm.

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    • #47
      Pet Peeves-
      1. Jaw wobble vibrato. Vibrato comes from the way you move the breath thru your cords, not your jaw. Moving the jaw creates tension in the jaw, face, and throat and is thus detrimental to your tone. I want to grab people who do this by the mouth and hold them still.
      2. Vocal masturbation, i.e. the Whitney-wanking mentioned earlier. Best illustrated by R&B singers asked to sing the Star Spangled Banner at baseball games and they do it at 1/4 tempo and do so many gymnastics the whole way thru it becomes nearly unrecognizable. It's the national anthem and it's actually supposed to be at a medium uptempo speed. STFU and sing the song and get off the field. No one cares about your vocal Yngwie-like wanking.

      As to the singer's range vs. the band argument, it is a give and take thing IMO. Any singer should work to expand their range, but it is eventually a finite instrument, and unfortunately usually w/a narrower range than what sounds good w/a guitar. In a way I feel kinda bad/boxed in by that, because as a singer, my instrument is more limited than my bandmates'. I have a good 5 octave range, but I'm a lyric soprano, and warbling high Ds up in the stratosphere like I learned in my opera arias just ain't gonna sound right with the Irish folk guys I play with. So it's my responsibility to work on my low range. I'll never be an low alto...I'll always be more Joni Mitchell than Carole King. But I will work on getting better. Conversely, I need the folks I play with to be willing to slap a capo on when I'm at the limit of my current range of what sounds good. I can work, but it's not an instantaneous transformation, and b/c I have small cords, no matter what I'll only ever get so low.
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      • #48
        Pet Peeves-
        1. Jaw wobble vibrato. Vibrato comes from the way you move the breath thru your cords, not your jaw. Moving the jaw creates tension in the jaw, face, and throat and is thus detrimental to your tone. I want to grab people who do this by the mouth and hold them still.
        2. Vocal masturbation, i.e. the Whitney-wanking mentioned earlier. Best illustrated by R&B singers asked to sing the Star Spangled Banner at baseball games and they do it at 1/4 tempo and do so many gymnastics the whole way thru it becomes nearly unrecognizable. It's the national anthem and it's actually supposed to be at a medium uptempo speed. STFU and sing the song and get off the field. No one cares about your vocal Yngwie-like wanking.


        I was going to bring up the same points but you nailed it better than I could have said it

        Most ALL RnB acts do the erratic moving of the head to create the voice changes that decent singers do with their breath..

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        • #49
          Hey, I've got a pet peeve concerning singers. I took some friends over 50 miles to hear a band I had heard and liked a lot. When we got there the band had been on for a while, but the place was almost empty. (about 30 people) The lead singer was obviously pissed and let us know it. His attitude and singing were not good because he felt more people should have shown up. Not only that, he made us feel it was our fault although we drove the 50 miles, we were buying drinks, and we had paid the cover.

          The more he complained the less we responded to their show. The less we responded to their show, the worse their attitude. We left after several songs. I've been an entertainer for a lot of years, and I'm aware of how much a responsive audience can turn us on and help our performance, but I still always tried to do the best I could at the time, regardless of audience response. Any comments or opinions about this?


          Oh yeah, totally agree. That singer had no right to have that attitude - the people he's mad at are the ones who aren't even there! There is no excuse, ever, to not give your all to whoever is there, and you'll make fans for life if you can play for 10 of them the same way you'd play for 10,000.

          Case in point, my band played a gig once over the 4th of July weekend, and nearly everyone was out of town or entertaining relatives or friends. There were literally like 6 people in the club. But we went out and played our asses off, didn't treat it any differently from any other show. And at the end of the show, every one of those 6 people came up and bought a CD, and every one of them subsequently went to more shows. They were so appreciative that we gave our all for them, and not too many bands can say they had a 100% sale to target ratio.

          As far as I'm concerned there's no point in getting up on a stage at all if you're not going to give it everything you've got, regardless of the situation. Might as well stay home and watch TV.
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          • #50
            Cigarette smoke. I can't WAIT until smoking is finally uncool and completely ran out of society.


            Sound guys who flip out when I want to use MY microphone. Sorry you mediocre prick, but my mic is better than your beat-to-**************** house mics, and I prefer my audience to be able to UNDERSTAND my singing. That, and I ain't using the same mic that death metal cookie monster yogurt gargler just used before me. I ain't a germophobe, but you can't tell me to ignore the crabs that jumped from his Kerry King beard and started crawling on the windscreen!

            **************** monitors. Why, oh why, can't somebody just order up some BFM full-range monitors? Please? I'll build em FOR you if you just let me!!!

            And of course....




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            • #51
              I guess for me, its people who have the vocals on their myspace page and CDs cooked so hard by the fix meisters at the studio. You hear a band on their page and you hear great vocals ,,, when you pay the cover ,, they sound lifeless and dead and pitchy.

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              • #52
                No offense Bajazz, but considering Al is a long time professional singing teacher, he probably knows what he's talking about :P.

                Also, while range obviously can be improved a lot, your natural voice, etc cannot. I have a large range and am a tenor but its silly to be saying you can nail above high C when you admit that you are singing too low in practice. If you are nailing these metal songs, you're going to have to be singing them with your full voice and not going into a weak mix sound or really heady.

                For what its worth, I've been training using the SLS method for awhile here in vancouver.

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                • #53
                  Also, while range obviously can be improved a lot, your natural voice, etc cannot. I have a large range and am a tenor but its silly to be saying you can nail above high C when you admit that you are singing too low in practice. If you are nailing these metal songs, you're going to have to be singing them with your full voice and not going into a weak mix sound or really heady.
                  No matter if you're a singer/coach or whatever it doesn't mean you can master all aspects of singing. I have been performing professianally since 80's, but Not much heavy metal. Some hard rock and lot''s of rock, pop, country etc where SLS is nice. Classical and opera was never my strengths.
                  AC/DC seems to be easier to nail than for instance DIO (even if it goes higher) cause the compression and grit seems to help the cords to zip correctly at loud volumes.

                  About the high C: I could sing it tensionfree in SLS in volume 7 of 10 at full voice (not falsetto or weak mix) for years. Now I'm beginning to learn how to do it heavy metal-wise which isn't the easiest way. And me being slow learning 39 y.o Baritone says that most people should be able to do it. And all all I'm doing is a bit daily training and focusing on the technique while trying to change the way I sing those difficult songs. It's takes time, cause my auto-pilot kicks me into SLS-mode when going into those heights.

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                  • #54
                    Vocal coach/teacher myself too....
                    No matter if you're a singer/coach or whatever it doesn't mean you can master all aspects of singing. I have been performing professianally since 80's, but Not much heavy metal. Some hard rock and lot''s of rock, pop, country etc where SLS is nice. Classical and opera was never my strengths.


                    It also doesn't mean that "anyone" can't master all aspects of singing either.

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                    • #55
                      Vocal coach/teacher myself too....
                      No matter if you're a singer/coach or whatever it doesn't mean you can master all aspects of singing. I have been performing professianally since 80's, but Not much heavy metal. Some hard rock and lot''s of rock, pop, country etc where SLS is nice. Classical and opera was never my strengths.
                      AC/DC seems to be easier to nail than for instance DIO (even if it goes higher) cause the compression and grit seems to help the cords to zip correctly at loud volumes.

                      About the high C: I could sing it tensionfree in SLS in volume 7 of 10 at full voice (not falsetto or weak mix) for years. Now I'm beginning to learn how to do it heavy metal-wise which isn't the easiest way. And me being slow learning 39 y.o Baritone says that most people should be able to do it. And all all I'm doing is a bit daily training and focusing on the technique while trying to change the way I sing those difficult songs. It's takes time, cause my auto-pilot kicks me into SLS-mode when going into those heights.


                      I had initially thought you were **************** talking teen at first-my bad

                      I'm sort of going through something similar right now, as SLS method is working great and I can comfortably sing my stuff, but would like to get the power and growl of some not so "technically great" singers like Chris Cornell but without thrashing my voice.

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                      • #56
                        Great post Al!


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                        • #57
                          What's wrong with working hard expanding your range. Your guitar player has spent thousands of hours practicing learing to play as fast as he need to be to be able to pull it off.

                          All singers can expand their range, there is no such thing as a pocket vocal range.


                          Range aside. No matter what your range is, there are still sweet spots and specific keys where your voice sounds it's best.

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                          • #58
                            Range aside. No matter what your range is, there are still sweet spots and specific keys where your voice sounds it's best.
                            Just another area to work on.

                            From the first sound you made until the first song you performed it took many hours of using the voice. This was all practice. Some tend to think it's just was there at the beginning, but the only thing we can do with our newborn voice is to cry. From there we copy the people around us and try to do what they do.

                            Learning and practice is just not something that happens when we take lessons and sing scales. It's a process that's constantly in work. Whether we learn or not depends on focus, opening your mind and repetition.

                            That's why I think it's strange that som people think that suddenly at one point our voice is carved in stone and can't be changed. You might try to tell me "ok, but you learn much slower at age and can't do any major changes" I call it a myth. Tests show that age and experiencer make you learn faster. But this only works if you are open minded.

                            If you think you can do it or not do it, you are in both cases right!!

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                            • #59
                              Sorry if this sounds jerkish, but as a guitarist I have a pet peeve about singers wanting to sing songs outside the original key, and just expecting the players to follow along no matter what. For guitar-centric tunes, sometimes this works and sometimes it doesn't.

                              Sure, a guitar player can capo a tune in C up to C# with no problems, but if the singer wants to take it down to Bb and there are a lot of embellishments involving open C and G chords, it's a completely different story.

                              Also, God help the singer who insists on key changes and then gets impatient on stage when you are fumbling around with a capo and trying to tune your guitar, or tuning the whole thing down to Eb or D.






                              Recordings was made in that vocalist's natural key/range...You can only take a voice so far out of it's natural range, while any good guitarist can play any song in any key.

                              Some guitarist will use a guitar strung a little heavier and tuned down a whole step for some songs, like when you want to play a song w/ "E" riffs, but sing it comfortably in "D".
                              God(s) bless the rest of the world(s), too

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                              • #60
                                i heard stories about when chris isaak was starting out. even if he was playing to just the bartender and the cocktail waitress, he gave it his all. he figured that if he won over just one person as a new fan, then it was worth it.

                                to me, that is a great, professional attitude. there is absolutely no excuse for putting on a poor show because of a bad turnout.


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