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  • #61






    Quote Originally Posted by testuser
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    I'm that way with bass. I played trombone for decades before picking up the bass. I can look at any note on sheet music and tell you what note it is. Obviously bass cleff is easier. I can also tell you what note every fret on my bass is. But I can't play bass by "reading" music. I swor I'd train myself. It's easy enough and just takes some time. However, I've yet to find myself in a situation where I need to.




    Kinda similar deal here, except I played piano and trumpet.



    I can barely read bass clef now, but at times over the years I've sat down with sheet music and it does start coming back.
    Kickin' it in the sticks...

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    • #62
      I dont ever discuss "key signatures" anymore. Or chord names for that matter. Too contentious. I'll ask for the first chord and then play it by numbers in the key sig I prefer to see it in. Same with chords: too many ways to label a chord and get in pissing matches. As long as the chord tones are there I'm cool.



      Music theory is meant to enhance communication but labeling conventions can differ so widely, and some use it as a bludgeon to "win" some kind of argument. I'm not down with that.
      Kickin' it in the sticks...

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      • #63






        Quote Originally Posted by Actionsquid
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        Drummer problems aside, that's not a bad description of "one drop" reggae rhythms.




        I confess that, as a bass player, I am very challenged by the bass lines in reggae. Basically, I tend to play too many notes. But since I'm not really a big fan of reggae, it's not really an issue. And if I was a big fan, it would probably not be an issue, for the opposite reason.

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        • #64






          Quote Originally Posted by wades_keys
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          I dont ever discuss "key signatures" anymore. Or chord names for that matter. Too contentious. I'll ask for the first chord and then play it by numbers in the key sig I prefer to see it in. Same with chords: too many ways to label a chord and get in pissing matches. As long as the chord tones are there I'm cool.



          Music theory is meant to enhance communication but labeling conventions can differ so widely, and some use it as a bludgeon to "win" some kind of argument. I'm not down with that.




          HA! As the bass player I probably know more about music theory than the rest of most of the members of bands I've been in, simply because I'm a curious guy. But I've played with some amazing musicians and they get along just fine with what they do know. If I need to know all the terminology about what I'm doing, I can get that at my day job in IT. Music is supposed to be fun.



          IOW, I completely agree.

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          • #65
            re Big Band rigity - I think you'd be surprised. Big Band rhythm sections are generally expected by the arranger to do their own thing much of the time; strict adherence to charts IME is for high school stuff. That's certainly the case for the piano parts!



            re upright - one of the guys I play with has an upright electric with no body and a scale about the size of a cello neck. And it sounds amazing through his little class D bass amp.



            re chord names - I've figured out to avoid this one for the most part... C6? Am7? Who gives a **************** what the piano and guitars are playing, the bass gets to decide what it is, we just get to decorate it. And I'm totally okay with that, bass player wins the "what is the bass note" argument hands down every time.
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            • #66
              Frank Zappa was known to audition guys from the best music schools and also people who couldnt read a note..but you had to have reproducible skills..and at a high quality/

              good enuff for frank good enuff for me.

              GtrGeorge

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              • #67






                Quote Originally Posted by cephus
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                How many times have you played with a bass player who you had to translate the key to "what fret"?



                I had a guy who counted so badly, that I had to tell him "what dot".




                2nd fret=G undotted

                4thfret=A undotted

                6thfret=B undotted



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                • #68






                  Quote Originally Posted by Tullsterx
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                  Damn! I'm a dumbass. . . I don't know what a "2nd line beat" is! [GOOGLING. . . . . .] . . . ahhhh. . .




                  This is how you deal with ignorance (research). Refusal to do so is stupidity.

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                  • #69
                    One of the best guitar players I ever played with had little to no idea why he put his fingers where he did.
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                    • #70
                      After last night's rehearsals, I've got a couple dozen, but I'm not going into them in order to try and keep my blood pressure down today.



                      One had to do with the frontman confirming that I was able to cover the backups on a certain song, and then not 15 minutes later, during a heated debate around learning/remembering material (one song) we had all committed to for last night, he basically implied that because I'm the drummer, I don't need to worry about being in key, knowing melodies, etc.

                      All I have to do is keep time.



                      I told him I'd start playing polka beats and see how that works out.



                      Never mind the fact that the song we had committed to, which he was unprepared for, was decided on more than two months ago...
                      <div class="signaturecontainer">For cripe's sake, somebody buy that kid a freaking DICTIONARY already!<br />
                      <img src="http://img3.harmony-central.com/acapella/ubb/facepalm.gif" border="0" alt="" title="facepalm" class="inlineimg" /></div>

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                      • #71






                        Quote Originally Posted by kmart
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                        All I have to do is keep time.




                        Ha been there done that. Yup one two three four all drummers need to know right?



                        and I love it when they insist on showing me the beat or when they "speak" the beat.



                        Sometimes you can do the exact beat and guitar player will say it's wrong.



                        Next time I'd do that polka beat and say well you just said keep time, didn't say anything about the right beat.

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                        • #72
                          Not going to happen.



                          We gig our big annual holiday charity gig tomorrow night. After that, nothing on the books. This is a side project which typically plays half a dozen gigs a year tops. I also play in some side projects of the side project with the same guy, and that counts for another 6-10 gigs of varying quality, but everything that happened last night was the norm for playing with him. It just happened to come to a head because after 3-4 years of playing with him on and off...it was time for it to come to a head. Sometimes, it just is what it is.



                          Out of about 20 things he said/argued, only one of them made a lick of actual sense AND was relevant: this is supposed to be fun.

                          He's right, and it ain't, no has it been for a while.



                          After Saturday, I'm done with him, and if that means all the other side gigs dry up, so be it.

                          I've been playing with my main band for close to three full years, and it's way more satisfying.
                          <div class="signaturecontainer">For cripe's sake, somebody buy that kid a freaking DICTIONARY already!<br />
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                          • #73






                            Quote Originally Posted by nchangin
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                            and I love it when they insist on showing me the beat or when they "speak" the beat.




                            I only do that when I see the "huh?" look on their face when I talk about a song on the list we've been playing...well, for months now...and I have to describe the intro. Sometimes my drummer will actually play the wrong song for the right band, so then I'll have to switch songs right away.



                            I do admit that I find it irritating when drummers turn the tables and try to go "na na na-nuh nah" when they are describing how the guitar part is supposed to go for me.
                            (This is my Non-Signature.)

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                            • #74






                              Quote Originally Posted by kmart
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                              Out of about 20 things he said/argued, only one of them made a lick of actual sense AND was relevant: this is supposed to be fun.

                              He's right, and it ain't, no has it been for a while.



                              After Saturday, I'm done with him, and if that means all the other side gigs dry up, so be it.

                              I've been playing with my main band for close to three full years, and it's way more satisfying.




                              This is the right attitude. No reason to keep yourself in a miserable situation if you have exhausted all other options of trying to communicate with him. Sometimes, it's just an ill fit. No biggie in the end.
                              (This is my Non-Signature.)

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                              • #75
                                Writing a new song in my band, just a few runs into it as we've developed the music and arrangement, and the singer is now writing melody and lyrics.



                                I like it when, during the second time we go through it with her singing, she goes "so the part where I go ______"...



                                ...we kind of looked at her for a second before saying "I have no idea where that is nor why you'd think I know that."



                                As always, it's all about communication, though. She's a total rookie.
                                Music, music, I hear music

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