M3/Triton keybed question

I am looking at some used Korg Tritons on eBay, and I wonder- So any of them have them same keyboard/keybed as the M3? At least as it relates to feel, I really like the M3 action, but new prices versus used are definitely a factor in my decision.

Nope. The M3 has an all-new keybed manufactured by Korg. The unweigted version (61 & 73 keys) has gotten a lot of good reviews on its feel.

Apples and oranges.

The new M3, with its second-generation KARMA, blows away any Trition out there. I know, because I own both. Even taking the weighted keyboard into consideration, the Pro-X doesn't feel the same as the M3.

The extra wampum is well worth it, especially when you consider the free programs for the M3 you can download from Korg.

What the fellas above said is right on. The M3 keybed is a new design and manufactured by Korg. I have the M3-73 and I love it. Great for those high speed runs/leads. This latest infusion and expansion by Korg is just incredibly super. KARMA 2.2 will blow the arps off any synth out there. Forget the Triton and do yourself a favor. Get the M3.

Ohh man... does the new M3 have a programmable arpeggiator yet? Rather just trying to find an arp pattern close to the one you want?

I can get a used Triton Extreme 88 for $950. Lessee here. A new M3-88 is running about $3 grand. Don't see many used M3-88 on the market. For people who don't use arps during a performance, maybe an extra $2 grand might not be worth it for Karma. Add an EXB-MOSS for $500, and you've got something that the M3 can't do. And some people like Valve Force. So based on value, there is some room for discussion on the merits of the Triton. That value equation might change when Korg drops the price on the M3.

For me, I DO need the simple arpeggiators during performances. Some songs I use use very basic arps that need to be programmed... but I like the sound of the M3 over the Triton... some sounds just sound more real in comparison to what would be equivalent sounds on the Extreme.

Apparently, the M50 HAS a programmable arpeggiator. You can read about it here.

http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/showthread.php?p=71271

Hopefully, it will make its way to the M3.

My PSR-S900 sounds a lot more real for acoustic instruments than the M3. For acoustic reality, I think the Motif XS Rack is a better choice and value than the M3.

Where the heck are you getting a TE 88 at that price?

Where the heck are you getting a TE 88 at that price?

CraigsList, California, Inland Empire. Look for the one in Palm Springs. Feel free to take it yourself, if interested. There's a minor blemish, a small brown spot between two keys, according to the seller. Everything looks legit to me, but obviously I'm not vouching for the seller.

Well... I would like the Motif XS, but it doesn't have tap tempo, which is what I need for live performance.

The PSR-S900 has tap tempo. It doesn't have aftertouch, but that's not so important when you have the Super Articulation voices from the Tyros2, and an expression pedal. The SA voices are phenomenal. I bought it for the sound quality, not the keybed feel, so it may not be what you're looking for. It has arps on steroids with the arranger styles and multipads. It does very realistic guitar strumming and picking arps.

What are you talking about. KARMA is light years beyond any arpeggiator and it's fully programmable. Plus, with Stephen Kay's "KM3" software, you will be able to design your own "GEs" (generated effects - arps on steroids). And yes, within the banks of GEs there are standard arps found in other synths. But, honestly, KARMA 2.2 GE banks give you tons more than these.

I think it would be worth your while to read about these from the Karma-Lab website. http://www.karma-lab.com/main.html

or go to the forums - http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/index.php

I'm one of those who prefers the older Triton/Triton Extreme synth actions to the new M3. Although it's not as silky, the keys are longer and you can get more consistent velocities out of the blacks.

That older action is the same one that's in my Motif ES7... an all-round action that I like a lot.

But I'm apparently in the minority and will shut up now.

Believe me... I've talked to Stephen Kay. There is a whole thread about it at KorgForums and KarmaLabs.

I've read the manual and talked to people that have owned one. It does NOT have a simple programmable arpeggiator. It definitely has the software to do so (the M50 proves that), but the M3 needs to be updated to have one. Sometimes, people would like a SIMPLE arp they can program themselves and not a complex one.

Simple is pretty subjective.

Did you see his videos? They're pretty good.