Mopho for Jungle/Darkcore/Electro

I'm interested in this analog pup mostly as a jungle bass machine, I'd love to hear some examples of this in context, can anyone of you yellow box owners help me out?

if we are talking classic jungle, ie growling bass lines, i would expect the evolver to be a little better suited, what with the tuned feedback and distortion capabilities.

Yeah, I haven't heard any samples of the Mopho that have gotten very nasty yet. The Evolver on the other hand can get seriously dark and nasty.

I'm not aware of current jungle trends, isn't a lot of their basslines sampled sine waves or something?

I don't like Darkcore or Jungle, so I can't comment on it. Can't listen to it long enough to tell you what htey are using, as it just hurts on my old ears.

But you mentioned Electro... I'm WAY into Detroit Electro and you can easily

make Detroit and Classic Electro with either the Evolver or Mopho.

They are great for Electro Bass, Electro Lead LInes and FX sounds...

I'm still debating whether to pick up a 2nd Evolver, or grab a MoPHo instead.

Cheers,

Dave

I made a little Mopho bass demo a few weeks ago:

http://audio-kinetic.iswiz.com/plaid_emu/MophoBassDemo.mp3

Don't know if you'd consider anything in there "darkcore/jungle/electro" but it's got a few different styles. I wasn't really trying to go for "grit" or use any feedback either so YMMV.

For a while, the big thing was to use a sampled 808 kick, and use that for basslines.

But anyway, yeah, the Mopho will do those big sub basses well. With the punchy envelopes, you can get those tight punchy basses.

Hey thanks for that.

The stuff in the last quarter of it is more what I'm looking to hear, I wonder if you could do more of that, I'd really like to hear it get nastier and funkier and all consuming.

If we're talking growling jungle bass lines I'd expect anything with Unison to do the job.

As for electro (what a weird question. Synths aren't bound to genres, silly), if it covers what an SH-101 does, it'll do the job.

But would it do them better then the Evolver? Having the subosc and all. Is the mophos attack punchier then the evolves?

The EGs on the Mopho are FAR punchier than the Evolver. The Evo does nice basses for sure, but the Mopho is better suited for punchier basses. The Oscillators are also a bit beefier as well. Which also adds to the low end. All the patches i've made so far haven't used any of the Sub Osc at all.

Perhaps you could post a demo of the type of basses you're looking for. And i'll see if i can't recreate them.

That would be very helpful, let me show you the sounds I'm talking about. It's that sort of nasty grindy tremolo type sounds. Here's a few examples. It doesn't come in until about 1:10 in this first one;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFvccv6iQxA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TfjdeatTHg

Actually this is probably the best example here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guCk8AM53Cg

where you at Mr. hazard?

What you need is a Pro One.

It's a tired trick by now, but what generates that "tremelo" is either ring mod or FXM. The important thing is that there is key tracking between the modulator and carrier in both cases.

Bump as I'm very curious about this also!

If the Mopho can't do either ring mod or FM you won't get that kind of effect on the bass, no matter what you do. On top of that, some synths even with FM or ring mod just don't do it that well. If they do, it's sort of a "one trick pony" kind of thing. What you want are a lot of different waveforms at your disposal, with different combinations of modulator and carrier yielding several different beat wave patterns. If you guys would like examples I'd be happy to post some.

Pro One does it well, MKS-80 does not. SH-32 does it well, JX-8P does not. JD-990 does it well, JV-2080 does not. Nord Micro Modular does it well, Nord Lead does not. Etc.

My Micromodular is heavy wit da bass.

As far as I know the Mopho is an updated version of the pro one. Supposedly it can do everything the Pro one can do and more.

It doesn't have ring mod or FM though.

What a major bummer.

The Mopho isn't an updated Pro-One. It's just a monophonic P-08 with Subs. The Pro-One didn't have ring mod or FM either. Not that i remember anyway. I tried getting those types of basses on the Mopho, but couldn't. The Evolver might be able to do it, i haven't tried that. But i know a lot of those basses are done with a Band Pass Filter. And i think they're pretty much all done in software now.

The Pro One most certainly does have FM. It's over on the left. You can route OSC B to modulate OSC A.

As far as filters go, the filter doesn't really enter into the equation for the "tremelo" effect SoundwaveLove is after unless you are using filter FM. The end result after FM or ring mod can be filtered with anything. What's commonly done is to route the bass into more than one bus, splitting it up to EQ / compress / effect / etc each bus separately, giving you multiple layers of the same bass.

Acid Hazard is right though about software. Reaktor would be your best bet for that type of bass in software. But you may be best served to create a simple instrument in Reaktor custom designed for that kind of thing.

Oh well, still want to hear how nasty the thing can get, I'd also like to hear it doing some acid. Christmas is coming up you know.

I'd like to learn to use Reaktor. Any good tutorials out there, or is it just one of those RTFM deals?

I lurk on idmforums sometimes, there's a lot of reaktor users there.

Also, I really hope Dave Smith edits the prophet / mopho to use an Osc as a mod source sometime Not sure if that's possible in software though.