Roland RD700GX vs Yammi CP5 wish one to buy?

My main interest is the action, if the cp1 has the exact same action

as the CP1 then CP5 is the winner.

Still Roland has 2 SRX expansions slots and that the posiblity of New software

kits that will be comming out . Then in that part, it is the clear winner..

what do you think???

has somebody actually played them both???

Yamaha CP-5 is not available until mid-May (AndyMusic). So only people who played CP-1/CP-5 at NAMM can compare the action between CP and RD700GX. I decided to go with RD700GX, and getting the upgrade kit soon. Action of RD700GX is pretty good, and sound is "good enough" (even some say sound of RD700GX is not good.) Only drawback in my mind is PHAII keybed of the RD700GX, which is a little bit inferior to PHAIII keybed of V-Piano. Roland sells HP307 in Japan (check the link below), which I experienced a little bit and very impressed. HP307 is somewhat like Clavinova, but it's got SuperNatural "PIANO" sound engine, PHA "III" keybed, and piano designer. This is pretty much like Clavinova version of V-Piano, but the street price in Japan is about 2800 USD (nearly half the price of V-Piano).

http://www.roland.co.jp/PIANO/hp/hp307.html

This is obviously not "stage" piano, but it is a very good alternative to grand piano in condo/small living room/practice@night situations. I don't know why Roland doesn't sell it in US market.

HP307 looks very interesting-like a RD700 GX with installed Supernatural board.

Seems strange that it should not be available in the US. They definetly are available in europe.

I could be wrong. I searched only online dealers like MF, SweetH2O, zzounds, etc, but Roland.com US site doesn't show HP307, so I'm sort of convinced.

Anyway, it is almost like V-Piano (in terms of PHA III keybed, Supernatural PIANO, and piano designer) with speakers, and still much cheaper than V-Piano. It's probably Roland sales strategy in US, i.e. release incremental "upgrades" bit-by-bit and take more consumers' money away.

I could be wrong. I searched only online dealers like MF, SweetH2O, zzounds, etc, but Roland.com US site doesn't show HP307, so I'm sort of convinced. Anyway, it is almost like V-Piano (in terms of PHA III keybed, Supernatural PIANO, and piano designer) with speakers, and still much cheaper than V-Piano. It's probably Roland sales strategy in US, i.e. release incremental "upgrades" bit-by-bit and take more consumers' money away.

from the german website it looks like the hp307 is samplebased like the rd700. The supernatural aproach only transfers certain technologies from the vpiano but the core sound of vpiano is not samplebased maybe that explains the pricedifference.

Okay, thank you very much. Obviously, I missed the HP307 in the US site. Maybe the online dealers don't sell, and only by special order?

Anyway, the sample difference between V-Piano and HP307 explains the price difference.....Now, I'm getting a little nervous, cause I'm getting RD700GX, and HP307 might have been the choice....buyers remorse....

Oh, yes, sorry. I turned this thread to OT about HP307.

actually like i said key action is the most important aspect to me,

thankyou for telling me about the HP307

btw HP307 is the same action as the v pian0?

get both

I can't comment on the new CP series from Yamaha, because I've yet to play one; but I own the RD700gx, and it is an awesome piano. I don't use mine for stage; only in the studio.

The action is very nice, and the overall feel reminds me of an acoustic piano. I'd obviously love to own one of the new Yamaha's also; but I wouldn't give up my gx to do so.

John Sr.

Are you really going to buy one of these?

If "best piano action" is what you want, you will only be able to determine that yourself.

Here's your chance to win a free CP1: http://www.sweetwater.com/giveaway/

As far as the mechanism of the keybed, both V-Piano and HP307 use "PHA III". I am not sure what is the difference between PHA II (used in RD700GX) and PHA III. However, the action of RD700GX was already impressive, so I believe PHA III (HP307) would be even better. I want to find out where I can test the touch of HP307.

yes there is a big chance.

Btw nobody has asnwered if the CP1 and the CP5 have the exact same action

and if soo. please explaain why would you pay 2000 Dlls more for

a cp1 with 1000 less patches.

and still did someone played the CP5? for a comparision with the roland??

Tony, are you going to buy something sight unseen? You're going to lay out this kind of cash without testing anything, right through the mail? What happens when if you don't like it? No matter what, it's a hassle to send something like this back, not to mention you probably have to pay for the shipping back out of your own pocket. Since it's been said that the CP1/CP5's pianos are based on the same sampling sessions of the Yamaha S6 acoustic that the S90xs is based on, will it have the same goofy harmonic on the D1 note (sampling and modeling are combined with the CP1, it's not all modeling)? This is something that Yamaha hasn't even acknowledged and it's hard to hear unless you're in a quiet room. I couldn't hear it in a loud showroom while I was playing it, but now it sticks out like a sore thumb. And no, it's not something you're going to be able to hear over a Youtube video.

Get yourself out there and test them. Also, call or write to Yamaha and ask them if the action of the CP5 is the same as the CP1...this will also test the responsiveness of their customer service. It's like you're demanding us to answer you and you get a little miffed when we don't come up with the answers you like on things that are TOTALLY SUBJECTIVE! WTF is "best piano action" to you, as it may not be the same for us? Best piano action compared to what acoustic for instance?

Seriously, we can't answer these questions for you. It's like you're saying "tell me what to buy. tell me what's the best. tell me what I like".

Because dollars aren't related to the number of patches.

What good are 100 {censored}ty piano patches if I just want a few good ones? Most of 'm differ in EQ, or velocity settings, or effects; if those factors are easily modified, it's stupid to create hundreds of patches. It makes far more sense to only create patches for when you're changing actual sample sets.

Actually, there is a reason why the CP1 is more expensive, even though it doesn't have all the patches:

Plus, the CP1 has DX7 emulation. The CP1 also comes with a 3 pedal foot-switch that does sustain, sostenuto and soft.

nobody cares about piano patch whiners

Anybody know what the CP5 is expected to sell for when it becomes available? The CP1 looks like it's can be had for around $5K.

Suppose to be around the $2.5k mark...give or take.

The action between the 307 and V-piano are the same, the difference with the mechanism is that there are sensors within each key of the V-piano that helps create the sound depending how the key is attacked. As the 307 uses a sampled sound and does not create the sound, the sensors are not needed in the key. this does not change the feel of both actions, but just the sound produced.

IMHO the 307 gives a greater amount of expressiveness than previous Roland piano's (on a par with the V-piano), but the sound between the 307 and V-piano are very different, I think it's a personal preference thing. The sound on the HP307 is pretty much the same as the RD700GX with new board built in.

I haven't tried the new CP's yet, so I cannot comment, but I'm very interested in trying the new Yammy feel.

Hey tony, what did you use to practis piano at music college?

I can tell from your posts on the internet that you have high standards and a discerning ear...I'd like to use what you used at shcool!! also please tell me how many dlls it cost k

thanks, buddy!

:lol:

a real piano.

actually teh standars are soo high that teh Sud principal told me that i would take me 3 years

of practicing for me to get rid of my keyboard

stile playing.

HC its barney compared to what tehy teach you at

Music university, i stll come here becuase i like

electronics and HC

BTW there is students that are

really genius at music, i actually feel

really bad becuase they are very away ahead of me in music.

I really recomend people to go to music university .

it will lift you very high .