'Hindustani'

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=2302&alid=-1

"hot Thursday night music"

thanks ido.

makes much more sense that way.

folks, it's just rock and roll...

a long instrumental, in progress.....

no hindus were harmed in the making of this.

this is another short section from a 67 minute long instrumental i've been adding tracks to, in a collaboration with False Haruspex, you can find them here:

http://www.myspace.com/falseharuspex

the visual should be along these lines.....

"feel is dark overall - 'bitches brew' style fender rhodes throughout various parts of the 'hindustani section'.....this also included the previously released 'apocalpyse now' snippet"

it's not finished, there's a lot more to add still...

Myspace does not play for me and your track is not an exception.

MY TUNE, is available for download on the nowhere radio link i provided.

the myspace link is to the group that i collaborated with for this instrumental tune.......

try the first link.

that's the one.

i've not run into anyone else, who's had problems accessing and playing either myspace or nowhere radio.........

well ? did not "see" the first link.as to myspace,there are even threads about its player here.

Anyway,the song does not neessarily evoke "hindistan" as it is put in turkish.It has a generic oriental feel to it but the overall form and effect is more western than oriental.thee are some new groups in turkey that are after something similar with your attempt .It is interesting to see that musicians from very different origins are trying to produce something very similar.They also refrain from including too much "orient" in their tracks.They too either imply it as you do it or blandly adapt the traditional tunes into rock form.

The mix is too rough to be analized in terms of production,which ? am not good at anyway.

I dont know what you are plannig to add to it but the drums need very much work.If it does not disturb your intended balance you may want to add some more esoteric/ethnic percussion to it.the tarck is in two parts and the second part after the middle section does not much develope the first section.you may also want to envigorate the tarnsition.

The bass line and the electric solo are the two element that make it "hindustani" or whatever a western ear differanciates as "oriental".They are,therefore, indispensable but they make the ptrack repetitive at the same time.the bass line especially is very much repetitive and the track accordingly sounds longer than it should be.there could be more variatian besides the ephemeral middle section.

It has to be either shortened (despite your aim at 67 minutes) or rebuilt with extra material to be full in itself.

Hey Gonzo-X - good to see ya!

Maybe take away the hindi reference and just call this a hot Thursday night music.

Whammy is cool - especially when it gets close to the edge....

Your licks are reminiscent of some Beck stuff I've heard.....cool.

Nice use of effects on the guitar.

Cool sustain on the fade. Mix is crystal clean...

So is this coming out as one long 67 minute cd sometime?

In some ways, the tone, too. The tremolo bar "chirping" reminds me of some 80's guitar techniques. Cool stuff. I really like what the drummer is doing somewhere after 4:00 (just drums and bass)...

janusmanus

sorry you didn't see it.

i should have made it more apparant.

this section of the larger instrumental, only uses the name 'hindustani' as a vague reference.

there is no reason to expect that a rock instrumental is in any way, trying to create an 'authentic' musical style just because of the name.

as a matter of fact, from this point on, let's refer to the name of this song as 'existential edit of erroneous endeavor'

that would be more appropriate for a conversation about rock and roll instrumentals....

i've not met any musicians prior to this creation of a 'mish mash of rock and roll' who were trying to produce oriental-based rock tunes, so i cannot comment on this vague comment.

the mix is supposed to be rough in that, it's just a snapshot of a larger, on going project, and was not meant to be brought forth as a 'finished project'.

sometimes, less is more, and in this case, it's simply where it is at this point in time, and i won't be involved in the final production.... it will be the guys in False Haruspex who will decide when it's done, and how it will be finished.

there are plans to add horns, keyboards, percussion, probably some background vocals of some kind, many different elements may be added over time.

since there are repeating 'themes' throughout the long instrumental, some of the 'repetitive' bass lines are there as a cornerstone for the other 'future' elements to add different permutations of the original melody on top of the 'same' bass line.

by itself, yes, i'd agree, it would seem on the surface to be a simple, repetitive melody, but i would ask that you look beyond that surface fact, and imagine several other elements coming in on top of that line, and adding harmonic content in different directions, all at the same time.

ido1957

"hot Thursday night music"

yep.

that's the new title!!

LOL

the mix, well, it's a simple mix, in that, it's only a stereo drum mix (that was a scratch mix) and the bass line, with my stuff on top.... maybe that's a good thing!

dumping these tunes from my roland VS recorder, into my PC loaded with sonar, definitely seems to open the sonics up more than when i mix in the box.

thanks for commenting!

rcb-

trem chirping, yea, i love that stuff...

i've been doing that for so long now.... ever since my first guitar (a fender mustang with the trem bar on it)

trick is, deciding when to do it, and not doing it very often.....

thanks for listening.

Volume's REEEEEALLY low.

Take off on Bitche's Brew, I assume. Nice.

I really dig the groove the drum and bass put together. I felt like the guitar tone was a little harsh for the smoothness of the groove.

Great mode for your solo. Really playing with your ears, and not your fingers- good job on separating yourself from the music.

This style of music is not my fort'e, but I really enjoyed listening to this. It had a bit of a Phish feel, which I really like too.

Yeah, as this song plays on, I am less and less a fan of the harsh guitar tone. You're a good enough player that you don't need to hide behind the big tone.

Good job.

christopher kai-

volume's really low, eh?!

LOL

that's why you have to have a VOLUME knob!!

you know, that old fashioned device that remembers back to before the days of the volume wars, and insane amounts of compression and brickwall limiting that drove all the life right out of music....

back to the days before the kids of today were taught that good mixes don't include any 3rd dimension to the soundstage!!

LOL

ok, ok, i hear you...

i didn't 'master' this with final levels in mind, i simply found a good mix, put some basic 5 band multi compression across the mix, and a snippet of limiting.

if you crank it up, i mean REALLY crank it up, you'll hear how deep the mix really is, how much dynamic headroom there still is in all the parts, and listening on a pc setup does not count!

the guitar tone, well, that's purely subjective, sometimes i like mine smooth as silk, and sometimes i want it really brash and to the point.... which was more the case with this mix...

plus, kwowing that other elements are going to be mixed on top of it, it may need the edge to come across through more instruments and what not.... but the final mix will be at the mercy of the folks that wrote and recorded the arrangment tracks (bass and drums) and so it could very well be a completely different mix and tone on the final mix anyway.....

it's hard to decide a tone, or at least a mix eq, without all the elements in there mixing it up....

but, for this genre of music, the edgy tone is probably a prerequisite.

on my own material (if you're interested, follow the link in the sig at the bottom) the guitar is a completely different kind of mix....

thanks for listening, and commenting!