Pork Pie Drums

Exactly how good are Pork Pies? I remember them being on musiciansfriend.com & samash.com right under DW's (price-wise). Are they really that good or over-priced?

Also, I'm looking seriously at buying the PP acrylic snare. Is it any good?

PP drums are very nice...worth the money? Not sure about that. Also, I'm not sold on acrlyic snares. Seems more like a novelty.

They sound pretty good, i just did a regional tour with a band whose drummer just picked up a custom pork pie kit, We became friends and shared kits on certain nights where the stage room was limited. The Toms (8 ,10 ,12, 16) and Kick(20x20) sound very good, pretty much like any other drum though to be honest, nothing crazy. I personally like DW and Yamaha drums much better, they just seem alot sturdier and have a thicker & Tubbier Sound to them.... Correct me if im wrong , but doesnt Pork Pie use keller shells? like pretty much every other custom drum company... not knocking them , im just wondering...

Nick-

www.sicksdeep.com

Yep...keller shells...but they do fancy bearing edge cuts...and some nice finishes.

yep thats what i thought....

keller shells aren't bad at all. DW used them untill they started making their own.

I have two snares from Conaway Drums that are keller shells. I love 'em, then sound sweet.

I think Pork Pie drums are basically just less hyped-up OCP's. Don't get me wrong, I think they're great drums, but not worth the price tag.

Would I ever use a set of Pork Pie drums if I had the opportunity? HELL YES!

the craftsmenship in pork pies is way better than that of ocdp. their finishes are meticulous (not just wraps), and their bearing edges and the best. period. bill detamore still does most of the edges by hand. i build my own drums, but i respect them greatly, and they are some of the best drums i've ever heard.

pork pies are pretty unreasonably priced but so are OCDP.... the porkpie snares at guitar center seem to be good priced

Yeah, I remember the PP acrylic snare at Guitar Center was only $199 (marked down from, like, $550). SWEET!

Originally posted by Skr4ped

wow, very nice. sizes?

It's not my set, but if I remember correctly they are:

20x20 bass

16x16 floor

12x7 rack

Diameter x Depth

the fan, cheap formica table, and ashtray only add to the personality of the kit.

slightly off topic... is it just me or is EVERY cymbal and drum on that kit perfectly parallel to the ground? It looks so cool but i couldn't imagine playing like that.

no it's not just you, just about every punk/indie/harcore drummer i see now a days has their kit set up like that.

i dont know if its good or bad. does anyone know if playing like that is easier or just harder and more for the look?

I set my cymbals up like that every once in awhile for harder sounding stuff. I like the wash that I get when I hit the cymbal with the fat of the stick. I dont use my expensive cymbals though. Its hard on the cymbals and it kills you sticks quickly.

more importantly, the snare and toms follow suit. My snare is at a very subtle angle, so if i let the stick just naturally fall on it, i'll get a center hit. But i can still get a rimshot any and every time i want. With the snare like that I'd imagine you would be getting a rimshot every single time. Ugh. And you can't say "well rock setups don't need to be dynamic" because there's definitely a place for ghost notes in rock.

Next, the toms. Whereas a natural hit on the snare would produce a rimshot, a natural hit on that high tom probably wouldn't even make contact with the drum head at all. I imagine you'd have to lift your arms some weird way just to get your sticks angled enough to not hit the rim. And if you're doing fast fills you definitely don't want to have to do that.

The low tom could probably work, but i wonder if you might still get a rim click here and there during a really fast passage.

Cymbal angle is much less of an issue... but have you ever played a kit that just feels fast? I think everyone knows what i'm talking about, you sit down and everything is right where you need it. It's like being behind the wheel of a really fast, low riding car or something. I think subtly angling the cymbals would just help to give that sense of quickness... i don't know. I have seen SO many hardcore drummers set up their kits like that and it looks awesome, but like i said, i'm willing to bet it feels clumsy.

I like having my cymbals pretty flat. I would probably have them perfectly flat if I could (Same with my toms if my kit was the way I wanted it), but they always end up slightly slanted towards me.

I think they key is to have them set low so you don't destroy your cymbals or your sticks.

My drums are pretty flat and the cymbals too. No tthat flat... but close...

I have my snare on a slight angle too. I like how it is because I can get a rimshot everytime and anytime that I want. I almost always use a rimshot for the backbeat. I think its easier to tell the difference between ghost strokes and regular hits. I have my toms setup like in the picture. I like how it is. I can reach the toms very easily without having to stand up. It is a bit of reach but if you set your toms low enough it isnt hard. I have no problems the center of the toms. I feel that I can actually go faster because everything is so low and close in. When the toms are low I can really lay into them and because Im above them I dont dent the heads or anything. WIth the cymbals I like the crashes about eye level and flat. For the ride, hats, and china I have them all about the same height. Everything is flat. I like how it feels. But sometimes change is good.

Ya know, I was reading some more of this post and it occured to me that Ginger Baker used to have his kits set up flat and level. Of course, he sat very high on the throne too. Just a thought.