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  1. Passing thru here to get an eye on the AG forum it's good to see Denny is still popular. There was a time when I parroted every holier than thou negative comments ever conceived for posting on these various forums about the man, and I thought I was a member of the club in good standing on the right side of evil. But, I digress.

    At some point in Denny's experience playing acoustic guitars he decided to take into his own hands the job of making his guitar play the way he wanted it to. I can't remember how many times I've taken my own to store techs for set-ups that were never exactly how I wanted them when I got them back. So, I began getting them where I wanted myself. I think any self-respecting guitarist will eventually make attempts to do that.

    Denny probably got good at setting up his guitar to the extent that he saw an opportunity to turn a buck on his skills by buying up cheap guitars, making them easy playing and offering them for sale with a mark-up to cover his work. My last set-up cost me over 100 (USD) by a good tech. If Martin, et al, offered the same thing a wild guess suggests their businesses would blossom and people would be happy to pay the up-charge.

    Denny got it right but guitarists find him guilty of charging a premium for his work, free shipping and a no-questions-asked return policy. However, they would not squawk paying for the same thing from a technician, minus the shipping. Guitarists tend to be kinda odd that way about Zager for one simple reason - he doesn't make the guitar.

    On an aside, I've had people tell me I have a nice car and I thank them with a boast that I made it myself. Why in the heck does anyone compliment someone on the car they drive knowing they had absolutely nothing to do with its design and build. I'm going use a 2-hole toaster as a hood ornament and apply a Mercedes star to it just to preempt the obligatory insincerity.

    Denny's a businessman and I laud his product. I've never played one. I've never seen a used one in any GC, Sam Ash, M/P store or pawn shop so obviously they're keepers. That's just a guess that owners are satisfied with them.

     

  2. 2004 to what ever year I ended my own string pursuit, science and mythology (forum-speak) all in, I ended up with a single brand/type/gauge that fit the practicable niche for me. The only thing that I found common in all of them was the time between new and decay of the trebles. They all died at the 4th week for my ear. Metallurgy is what it is and string elasticity has a definite mortality rate, regardless of the alloys used, with a maximum duration of 4 weeks. Most begin to fizzle midway between the 2nd and 3rd week but by the 4th week I'd be digging for lost trebles buried by their own metallurgical death knells. So, that experience under my hat, I chose a brand/type/gauge that was cheap and readily available. That's on uncoated 0.12s, finger picked with natural nails, which mine are particularly well suited for.

    My weekly playing time is about 10 hours and I change strings within the 3rd week. Could I get away with just replacing the e and b strings? Yes, and I have, but the brand of strings I buy in sets is cheap enough to just replace complete sets.

    FWIW, those strings are D'Addario EJ-16s used on a jumbo concert. I use their 0.010 gauge set (EJ-10) on a classical I reworked to sport them. Their tension is little more than the nylon sets I used on that guitar so I gain the steel string sound on a wide board short scale guitar without the expense of a purpose-built guitar.

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    Now, ask yourself if you're ready to make the effort and incur the expense of discovering the above on your own. What are you looking for in a string? Sound? Longevity? Feel? What set best delivers your guitar's sonic character to your ear?

    I read a lot of characterizations of sound people claim they like from their guitars. Some will actually claim they like the sound of old dead strings. Others are more like me preferring the projection, sustain and brilliance of new strings. Others still prefer that 2nd-3rd week treble loss. Then, there are some who cannot decipher what best suits their guitars, after much fuss and expense, and that's either because they have dead ears or dead guitars.

    We cannot end this inquiry without giving a nod to relative humidity's role.

    So, the guitar's sonic capability, the string brand/type/gauge, atmospheric conditions (RH, particularly) and your own ear's limits are playing a role in your string assessments. Asking (me) what strings might be good for your needs is not just a shot at a moving target. It's a moving target with a blindfolded, ear blocked shooter. 

  3. Good post, good spirit and interesting stuff. I can visualize children wandering through the town singing this, sprinkling water in the faces of people they meet, and some of the people ducking saying they already gave (suffered the solicitation) on a previous street corner. I suppose this harks back to one of history's lessons (going forward) about not going out on the first day of the new year to avoid the crazies.

    Re: 2021. Not recognizing it until I can see the trailer. Any mail received in 2021 will be returned and marked: "Return to sender, annum unknown".

     

    Good song and well played, sir.

     

     

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  4. 19 hours ago, Pat Miller said:

    I thought I'd come here because I'm a bit bored at the family event today. I used to post here a lot a few years ago when I had a lot of questions about recoding equipment, but just moved on once I got my answers. There doesn't seem to be a lot of activity here though. I don't know what you mean by PP. 

    Basically, this is the underlying demise of HC. It rose up to become the most popular question/answer mecca. Then it started backsliding when the guitar culture at large no longer needed to spend the time logged in after the questions ran out. That's about the time it devolved into a forum run by cliques, similar to the persona of the current PP, and required heavy-handed moderation. That was a frustrating period exacerbated by the site switching to an unproven platform that failed an already embattled membership in countless ways. It lost its charm with the clique-run membership and went downhill from there until buried by the site admin attempting "great things" by playing the platform shell game and leaning heavily on jackbooted moderation to re-vitalize popularity (???!!!). The original esprit de corps that rallied the site was gone through poor management (captains sink with their ships). But, at least we have the AGF to provide the guitar culture's nerdsmanship needs and TGP to provide for the culture's cool-kids needs.

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    8 hours ago, 1001gear said:

    Literally cannot imagine what that might be.  :idk:

    Nor can I. I come here every day or so, don't sign in and look at the Activity report on the main page. I don't sign in because that would populate the report with the nonsense from PP. The site is teetering on the edge of the abyss.

  6. Actually, Auld Lang Syne comes to mind but that's the Free Bird of traditional laments. I packed up the guitars a while ago when doing some work in the house. I'll have yet to dig them out of storage, re-string them and see if they have anything they care to sing about. Thanks for the reminder. .

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  7. Saturday, 10/31/2020, a total of 10 forum posts, discounting site-irrelevant posts in PP, were all the attention afforded this site by its membership. All you need to do is take a look in Activity and see what happening. To avoid PP's postings under Activity, don't log in to get relevant posts.

    Farewell and adieu to you young Spanish ladies...

  8. Okay. I'm back.

    You see, the point of this thread was not to stick with the topic but rather retro it to the same kind of thread that was, at one time, the hallmark of this entire site and the cheddar for the mice that were drawn to it in droves; no differently than you guys are responding now. You have taken the bait and are now exercising the same (elicited) emotions that bolstered both the useless and the useful activity that characterized it. In other words, the sheer weight of the membership provided the on-topic questions and answers  that legitimized the site, as well as confounded it for the more sensitive, but the emotions were high and contagious. It fostered all manner of on and off topic activity that acted like a self-perpetuating machine. It was high on itself.

    Then, the goody two shoes police arrived and the place simply vanished through negligent software experimentation and debilitating badge polishing at the moderation level.

    Sure, I can go on and on about the acoustic guitar, what makes it tick (thank you Freeman and others) and what makes it work for me (45 years of playing) but there's no real demand for that here anymore because the place is lost in space. At it's worst it was head and shoulders more informative than any of the period forum sites. It was a heavy-weight kingpin of a place and all the ridicule that it might have garnered still didn't warrant sanitizing it for junior.

    Anyway, the heart of this place - the normal human behavioral condition - was barred from exercising further freedom and that was this place's cause for demise.

    Finally, the acoustic guitar itself as a topic for detailed and continued discussion is now past its prime. The people who were attracted to it in the early Y2K period got their knowledge and slowly, over the decade following, moved on and/or were decidedly unimpressed with forum changes. I know this place's membership suffered badly through the irresponsible jacking around with software. It wasn't broke but they decided that "advances" in technology could fix it. There's dumb and then there's that. Implementing an experimental software? Yea, brilliant. But, it happened and it happened more than once. That's about when this place became a joke.

    So, keep responding here and you'll only prove the foregoing truth about forums. They are the elicitor of the human emotions first and objective information exchanges second.

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    Yep, a movin' & shakin' place this is. But, let's not think that I'm instigating in a vacuum.

    Anyway, of all the responses to current threads in this forum this one is getting the most traffic. That's a telling clue about what engages people and what doesn't. On-topic isn't getting it and no one cares about what junior is reading.

     

     

     

     

  10. On 10/5/2020 at 4:15 PM, Brindleleaf said:

    Hmmm...maybe we need to ask what people want from this place. I discovered it just after I bought my first guitar...and just soaked up a lot of info and ideas. Sometimes I forget just how much I have assimilated from you lot. Today I picked up a slightly scratched, but lovely-sounding Seagull S6 (Happy NGD to me!😁). Talking with the owner over a coffee before leaving, I was comfortably familiar with every kind of guitar-related topic that came up (tone woods, string gauge, things to check when buying a used guitar, playing styles etc etc). A LOT of that came from stuff I have read again and again on here...

     

    What do people want from this forum? If we want it to come back to life, it needs to offer THAT.

     

    What is the scope of this place?

    If I could make a wishlist of what it would provide, I would think of..

    - a place to hear from people I know.

    - fun and laughs (at least snorts of amusement)

    - fascinating info (😗)

    - VOM1T (I'm going to take the plunge sometime (soon).

    -advice about playing (sure need THAT!) (especially for quality strumming skills).

     

    What about you lot..if you could choose...

     

    Valid question about what we want from this place. One can never go back but that's not the point. The question should ask what made it what it was. People change as a group, or collective, and in their progressiveness they eschew outmoded norms and embrace new norms, or new realities if we can forgive whoever coined that one. What is lost and what is gained? Is there something for everyone in the transition? No. Rights of passage dictates that one generation is succeeded by the next and with each new birth comes a desire for its own identity to displace the previous.

    This place has lost the identity that birthed it and reared it. The moderation born with it died with it and the new moderation is on high alert to preclude any new form of identity that isn't HC uber alles, akin to AGF's authoritarian moderation, for the good of all. Problem is, mankind is not good by his very nature. He enjoys a good scuffle, and that was HC's birth identity. That's what made it what it was; special. 

    Anyway, may it continue on for the good of all and enjoy being a home to friends and family alike. I will continue to ruminate over what's over and remember it without the Joy it's currently soaking in, so mild. Madge, is that you?

  11. 9 hours ago, kwakatak said:

    I understand and can even sympathize somewhat, but I can't allow myself to adopt a feeling of defeatism. It's not good for one's mental, physical or spiritual health 

    These past 4 years have been difficult for me, not because of politics but because of family struggles. I have been dealing with depression my entire life but it's been especially hard and I've been trying to claw my way back out of the pit I've dug for myself. One of the pitfalls is looking back instead of looking forward. We only get so much time on this earth and from what I have seen, being stagnant is a "little death." IMO it's better to stay in motion that to sit still or try and go in reverse.

    So say what you will about social media and Reddit, but I will try to branch out and try to understand how younger eyes see the world - and try to guide them without preaching. If anything, the enthusiasm is a nice change of pace over the "get off my lawn" mentality that prevails at places like AGF.

    Fair enough. Being a rather incorrigible recluse who begrudgingly relies on society's continuing irritations to give my life meaning, I suppose you could say I should see the positive in society for being there when I don't need it; a glass half full, with a twist.

    I've said it before but it remains true today, I tip my hat to you and the challenges you've soldiered through. Keep the strength.

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  12. I mix it up and strumming, though not as a routine, is a dynamic that can't be denied a place with the best when done right. I can't think of another way of saying it. Strumming gets seconded as a technique, in context with finger picking (or finger styling if that's your preference), and I can see that when I think a person's progress typically starts out with it as a basic method of sounding chords. It's a starting point with finger picking being the next level up. That's to guitarists and those guys are picking bastids. Anyway, mixing all the techniques up (orchestrating them) marks the player who chooses music over method and I must admit that I did not see it that way for a very long time.

  13. On 10/5/2020 at 6:20 AM, garthman said:

    Seems so, Joe. I visit regularly and do my best to contribute but there are so few of us now that it hardly seems worthwhile. But remember how it was? what fun we had? the marvellous slanging matches? It made it what it was - the best guitar forum - so different from the insipid AGF.

    Not to be a negative element fouling hopes that the place finds its bootstraps, but it's becoming evident that it can't and it has zero bearing on the context of age-grouping, as Neil suggests.

    I've been to reddit and thought it to be rather clinically disparate and cold, and not a suitable substitute to forums or even a last resort. As far as social media goes, there's a common sense issue regarding privacy breeches that most social media advocates/users dismiss out of hand. I think it's a shortcoming indoctrinated by techno-driven peer pressure creating the mass appeal to be suckered into such agencies of self-serving commercial interests. Enough factual data is publicly announced about the invasiveness (data mining) of social media that one can pretty much assume blatant disregard summarizes the 3.82 billion user's stances about the protection of their own privacy. It's either that or they're simply blissfully ignorant of it.

    It comes down to the loss of preference for personal involvement; a dehumanizing mechanism at work. The telecommunications today by and large minimizes the personal contact making humans human. Reddit especially exemplifies that due to it's sheer global numbers reporting in versus discussion. Much of what I see there isn't discussion at all. It's more of an information exchange of catch as catch can and little if any warmth.

    Anyway, yes, there was a time here when the whole human enchilada was at work here tying it, trying it and binding it to itself. It wasn't always pretty but it was a heavy hitter as far as forums go but the head office here didn't see the gold in it. It's misguided decision to manifest itself as fun for the whole family was and remains a form of business mismanagement that cost it a rather profitable position.

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  14. on HC. I really hate to think it's because there's only room enough on the internet for one AGF, but it looks like that's the case. Who could stand two of those? The front office's strategy of moderating the old membership here into an AGF mirror site kinda fell flat. It was a good run.

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  15. SEO knowledge is useful for some things but it does not ferret out the distinctions between the people who have a desire to play the acoustic guitar, or more importantly, the reasons why they have that desire.

    The acoustic guitar is not easy to play. There are people who try year-over-year to achieve certain satisfying skills with the acoustic guitar but, usually due to a lack of everything required to gain that skill set, it remains elusive. Denny Zager knows that.

    Zager eliminates the one key physical thing that impedes motor skills development and that's manipulating the acoustic guitar. He makes it physically easy to play and that in turn garners a market share of sales. Simple truth is many people are turned off by the playability of factory-produced guitars that have high action. Martin is among the worst for that because their philosophy is the player will make the changes to suit him. This assumes the player is a player and not a noob needing something that doesn't task him from the outset. Denny Zager knows this. He answers the noob's needs up front.

    I've read many Zager reviews by people claiming years of experience with the acoustic guitar, naming high-end makers and then contrasting them as distant seconds to Zager's guitars for playability, followed by championing the sound and quality as being equal to or better than (insert name brands here). The message in those claims is they are not experienced players. They are noobs who have been noobs for many years and will probably always be noobs. But, they have discovered an easy playing guitar like it's a vein of gold running through their property and are vocal about it, not realizing they are also publicly admitting their inexperience with the instrument but overtly claiming the opposite. The tween-lines drama tells the real story and Zager knows this is marketable. Smart guy.

     

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  16. Regardless of assembling your own accumulated knowledge and experience, and best intent at giving advice, an entry-level person will do what he/she does and end up with a dart board choice (by our own reckoning).

    Sensibilities are all over the place. The slightest difference in feel between two guitars could be the pivotal push away from a great sounding guitar, that an experienced player could easily adjust to, to a distant second guitar by the noob who can't bring an ear to the task yet.

    Also, all those factors that are second nature to one person who feels he can employ them to make good decisions for himself may be well short of the experience of another player whose skills are more advanced. This is where a conflict arises when offering advise to a noob. Advising a person about the finer points of choosing a guitar, in the forum environment, can be counter-productive despite good intentions by all.

    I think it's enough to suggest a guitar that plays easily. Nothing defeats a person faster than a guitar that's disagreeable in the hands. The new guy doesn't have a developed ear yet so rule that out. That comes down the road when playing skills can be brought into play. And, don't even talk to him about finding a decent sounding guitar and having a tech set it up for him. That's ridiculous. He does not have the ear yet, nor does he possess the skill set to set up a guitar for, meaning, he can't tell a tech what he wants and the tech isn't a psychic.

    The main point is advising a person about getting a guitar should not include any other point than ease of play and that's what our friend Denny Zager is capitalizing on with his easy-play come-on. Smart guy, and his customers by and large are happy with the guitars wholly based on their ease of play.

    Last word about experienced players trying their hands at altruism - don't. We differ with each other on the jam floor so don't expect to be useful when offering advise. I've read all kinds of advice that might/might not be useful to the anal person who can make sense of it, but most people are not wrapped that tight (yet). Steer the noob to something that plays easily, is inexpensive and has a decent reputation.

  17. 20 hours ago, Emory said:

    agree with strum on the wall yea or nay approach.

    Good to have a checklist, mental or otherwise.

    I reckon good thing to use list to keep us from falling into hubris

    Not sure the humility needs a revisit as much as I am my patience needing a reboot, having lapsed into a state of despair over the quality of sound, which is to say that I'm not sure there is such a thing. The search was afoot at one time but it has since gone lame from over exertion. A 50-year expectation without reward becomes a fools game. If badges are handed out for that I've certainly earned one, but my list of validating brands/models would also certainly be challenged. I know I can't be alone in having the ear I have that has not been resolved to-date, and I'm not accepting of other's aural infatuations (more towards ocular infatuations me-thinks) so I wait. 

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  18. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c90Htzq7E5k

     

    This fellow seems astute and stuff enough about the guitar, it's switches, their use and even explaining them. Minus all the sucking up to Fender, the video would be a couple minutes long. Seems to me the guitar's workings are not rocket surgery so what does that tell you about buyers of the guitar who can't figure it out from the literature, or otherwise can't figure it out by ear?

  19. 19 hours ago, 1001gear said:

    The represultant x? We may the work done-half the work done is equal to be in then K = ½ ( ½ ( ( V is force a displacement acting on a = ½ m ( V + v is W = ½ m v². What t ) ) t. The body. If we relationstate the particle. A common a = ½ m v². What time t. The work done-half the x-axis this W = m ( ½ ( V + v ) / t = 0 and V - v ) ( V - v ) t ) t. Here of mass of F and a. Let us choose this to be in call product of the partic energy by the body. If we represent force, force above equal to be in the by.

    So I'm thinking maybe like:

    Here of the particle. A common a = 0 and a. Let us choose then K = 0 and V - v is to be is W = ½ ( V + v ) t. The partic energy by then K = ½ ( V - v ) / t ) t. Here of mass of this force, force, force a = m v². What time t. The body. If we represent acting on a = 0 and V is to be in the particle. A common a displacement x? We mass of F and V + v is force a displacement x? We mass of F and a. Let us choose the body. If we relationstate the work done-half the work done-half the body. If we represent

    Is this putting the cart before the horse?

    ? More like fart. Carts are far more useful.

  20. Same here regarding playing versus walking through a pre-flight checklist, but in defense of it I'd call the checklist a good idea for people not so experienced in sound and playability. Going in as a greeny so many years ago a checklist would probably have been useful to me. These days I can pluck the strings while the guitar hangs on the wall to know whether it's a candidate or not for sampling. As a matter of fact, that method has saved Gibson's product line from suffering my DNA for years.

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  21. No problem. Make the video and dub the narrative in later. That I've seen, only James Goodall sports a start-finish video of his son making a guitar. The comments, as I recall, criticize him for not wearing a mask so make sure you have your chemical warfare gear on and properly secured for those who'd complain about being hung with new ropes. Ervin Somogyi has a couple videos capturing his dialog about woods, his selection of them, the principles of the sound box and an inarticulate allusion to his capacity for managing its voicing. It's interesting but he does not visually detail a build in video. One things-fer-shur, it'll make you better at planning the start, progression and completion of each step. Trust me, I know. 

    Anecdotal - I have to capture each work order that comes into the shop I work at in pics and video from the time they arrive to the time they leave. A hydraulic pump, about the size of a basketball, gets stills taken from every angle when it arrives. Then it's tested to ascertain it's condition (in airworthiness-speak: state of repair). A video is taken of that to capture all parameters of the test. The test is punctuated with vocal call-outs before, during and after the test. If it fails the test, a disassembly comes next with pics of the progression, pics of each part dimensionally measured and recorded on a master list of constituent parts, and so on, including steps during the reassembly to capture critical check-points of the build. A final test is performed in similar fashion to the incoming test, with vocal call-outs. By the time all is done and the pump is returned to the customer in airworthy condition, it's been completely cataloged in writing and visually in digital records, annotated appropriately. We are paperless. All work is performed in compliance with the manufacturer's maintenance manual for the parts we maintain. The visual file for each work order is available to respective customers, and national authorities, upon request or whenever it becomes necessary to visually assist them in understanding the nature of failures and related corrective maintenance. So, you might consider each of your builds as purchases from customers and visually document their progressions in video.

    Then again, nah. It's a PITA.

  22. 22 minutes ago, kwakatak said:

    Yup. I gave them three strikes. I view my warnings as gaslighting so I won’t give them the satisfaction of wasting any more time on them. At this point, I’d rather just start a blog or an Instagram Story or even a YouTube Series. 

    Good point. You might say that's the site's overall persona. Garbage in, garbage out.

     

    I bought a set of plans from Stew-Mac for an OM a few years ago. Just re-discovered them today. Hmmm...maybe getting that YouTube series going is a good idea. I could use some  pointers and motivation. Might be retiring in January and make a build a bucket list first project.

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