Members mparsons Posted August 4, 2006 Members Share Posted August 4, 2006 As a guitarist, these drummers totally blow me away: http://www.myspace.com/implosivedisgorgence http://www.myspace.com/vitalremains What do you think of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tmetaler Posted August 4, 2006 Members Share Posted August 4, 2006 hehe... other than speed, implosive's drummer doesnt have much... tim yeungg is {censored}in amazing! soo technical and fast! just has to lay off the china a bit, or get a bigger/deeper one! but youve heard all that before (yesterday.. lol...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WillyRay Posted August 4, 2006 Members Share Posted August 4, 2006 Yeah... I'm almost 30, I got a day job programming computers, a wife, a kid, I own a house, I got a dog, a cat, two cars in the garage. I'm a pretty happy guy. Maybe this stuff just isn't for me? Like, I'm not the target audience? Seems like you have to be pretty pissed off to like this stuff. Is that right? Musically, I really get off on subtlety and nuance... so...I'm not saying it's bad... just not my cup of tea. As far as the drummings go (which was what you really wanted to talk about, yes?), I'm impressed from a technical perspective. I certainly can't play my feet OR my hands that fast. Honestly, I'm awed by those kind of chops. I want to sit down with the guy and talk excercises and technique. Musically, the drumming feels to me like a bit of a one-trick-pony. It all sounds very similar to me. I'm hearing track after track of insanely fast double bass beats. Am I missing something? Tell me what it is, and I'll take another listen. I don't care for it. I'm REALLY not saying it's objectively BAD. Just... not my thing. Matt, you've said these guys blow you away. What is it that you like about these drummers MORE than other drummers in the same genre? That might help me get a little perspective. /willy PS. AND GET OFF MY LAWN! Lousy... whipper-snappers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tmetaler Posted August 4, 2006 Members Share Posted August 4, 2006 he's all about the speed... he's a guitarist, so he doesnt have the same appreciation that a drummer would have for overall technique and feel in drums... its ok... it mainly the insanely fastness and the technicality that gets him, not the groove or soul of drums... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tangman Posted August 4, 2006 Members Share Posted August 4, 2006 Willyray, you definitely dont have to be pissed off to listen to the music I will say though that it is a male dominated genre , Ive met guys who are married with kids and still listen to this kind of music, some look like Hells Angels or part of a biker gang but you talk to these people and they are not aggressive or pissed off haha, they have kids too and have normal jobs and such, looks can be deceptive! I am impressed by Tim Yeung (the live drummer for Vital Remains) not just from his work with that current band but from his work with other bands too, he actually has studied other genres before and got the qualifications too so he's most definitely not a one trick pony Its just a case of play what the music calls for, you can argue that the music doesnt need all the double bass and chops but thats part of death metal. Its like how you wont ever hear blazing chops in a pop song, because the trends in that genre dont call for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mogwix Posted August 4, 2006 Members Share Posted August 4, 2006 I seriously fail to understand how some consider this "music". It's my least favourite genre of all music but that doesn't give me a right to bash it. Enjoy what you will and I'll go over here. But before I go... I HAEV 2 KIK PEDLS LOLL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tmetaler Posted August 4, 2006 Members Share Posted August 4, 2006 Originally posted by Mogwix I HAEV 2 KIK PEDLS LOLL *sighs* what is this world coming to.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tmetaler Posted August 4, 2006 Members Share Posted August 4, 2006 :D :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tamapete28 Posted August 5, 2006 Members Share Posted August 5, 2006 Omg! I didn't think these guys were still around! I remember them about 10 years ago in a rehersal space in Attleboro, MA. called the Foster building. My old band had a room next door to them. and god were they loud!! whenever they would practice, we couldn't because we couldn't here ourselves!! Kick ass band! I've seen them a bunch of times. good group of guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members D Carroll Posted August 5, 2006 Members Share Posted August 5, 2006 nothing but speed... thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mraia Posted August 5, 2006 Members Share Posted August 5, 2006 Originally posted by mparsons As a guitarist, these drummers totally blow me away: http://www.myspace.com/implosivedisgorgencehttp://www.myspace.com/vitalremains What do you think of them? I dont even know what that was:eek: Sorry, bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ArtVandelay Posted August 5, 2006 Members Share Posted August 5, 2006 Can anyone tell me what the "singer" in Vital Remains is saying? It sounds like he's doing a good impression of a Doberman Pinscher. Not my cup of tea. Just doesn't move me. Frightens me a little, but doesn't move me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mparsons Posted August 5, 2006 Author Members Share Posted August 5, 2006 You can find the lyrics in google. they're on most of the popular lyric websites Matt, you've said these guys blow you away. What is it that you like about these drummers MORE than other drummers in the same genre? That might help me get a little perspective. For the Vital Remains drummer, its because he's stupidly fast and I think he's a lot more creative than most of the other death metal drummers. He's very good at establishing a feel- like around 1:26 on Dechristianize, theres a certain riff. and at around 1:31, there's the same riff, but with a different drum pattern which kind of slows the whole thing down without changing tempo. Drags it out sort of, which makes it cool For Implosive Disgorgence, well, GOD DAMN where else do you hear snare rolls like that in metal? It's also a pretty good example of having tremendous speed, and knowing when to use that speed and when to use a slower drum pattern for great effectiveness. Seriously, these guys are playing notes faster with their feet than I can on my guitar ( unless I'm tapping or sweeping or something like that ). That's INSANE speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tmetaler Posted August 5, 2006 Members Share Posted August 5, 2006 Originally posted by mondo_fire nothing but speed... thats all mebbe for implosive... but there's more than speed for tim yeungg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tmetaler Posted August 5, 2006 Members Share Posted August 5, 2006 Originally posted by ArtVandelay Can anyone tell me what the "singer" in Vital Remains is saying? satanic, death and gore obsessed subliminal messages (well... you cant really consciously understand what's said!)! in example: DechristianizeVital Remains Trembling to its fall Putting and end to it all By storm, by force With might... without remorse We are here to conquer this world Like cancer... our hate consumes the light of elysium Unstoppable force of demonic supremacy All destroying...all devouring Heaven now ravaged... scarred and empty Strike the death knell of the pandemonium Imbrue one's hands in the blood of christ Washing away all filth of righteousness The dimming of the light Engulfing the trinity He raped...the culture of mankind He raped...the pride of the ancient ways He raped...all thought of freewill I who will watch you fall into obscurity Washing away all filth of righteousness The dimming of the light Engulfing the {censored}ing trinity I spit upon your deity Supposed creator of all things Idol of irreverence you worship above Show your true face... the image of prevarication Unhallowed be our twilight Thy grace untriumphant Mourn the crowning of unconquerable profanation Hell's grim tyrant...the eldest of night and chaos Breathe once again...far from the shadow of god This day of reckoning will be unavenged Glory of wrathful inignation I deny god and all religion Turn up the whites of their eyes... Dechristianize Our poisonous truths Divinity...drowning in impurity Unconquerble...unstoppable Sanguilent in your agony Like cancer... our hate consumes the light of elysium Unstoppable force of demonic supremacy All destroying...all devouring Heaven now ravaged... scarred and empty Strike the death knell of the pandemonium Imbrue one's hands in the blood of christ Washing away all filth of righteousness The dimming of the light Engulfing the trinity He raped...the culture of mankind He raped...the pride of the ancient ways He raped...all thought of freewill I who will watch you fall into obscurity Washing away all filth of righteousness The dimming of the light Engulfing the {censored}ing trinity Dechristianize...Dechristianize...Dechristianize...Dechristianize... Hell's grim tyrant...the eldest of night and chaos Breathe once again...far from the shadow of god This day of reckoning will be unavenged Glory of wrathful inignation I deny god and all religion Turn up the whites of their eyes... Dechristianize... Dechristianize yhea... basically it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ArtVandelay Posted August 5, 2006 Members Share Posted August 5, 2006 Nice job, TMetaler! I'd like to ask a question for the purpose of getting a real answer and I ask out of ignorance and because I'm probably too old but I want to understand. How come all these speed metal hardcore bands sing in such a way that it's impossible to understand what's being said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tmetaler Posted August 6, 2006 Members Share Posted August 6, 2006 its more agressive sounding i think is the main reason... think of it as comprable to a really distorted guitar! and lyrics are mostly an afterthought in metal because: a) they usually are along the same premesise b) no one really cares c) the main focus is (suprisingly) on the actual music, rythmn, etc... but thats at least for real metal, old hardcore, speed/thrash metal, and all death metal... post-hardcore and emo are just {censored}in stupid in my opinion... sry if i offended anyone.... oh wait... just remembered- im not! nevermind then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mparsons Posted August 6, 2006 Author Members Share Posted August 6, 2006 Its a ton easier to sing like that than it is to actually sing to a pitch and do it cleanly. In my opinion the best metal vocalist is Devin Townsend. Able to go from soothing, to Metallica-esque yells, to Pantera-esque yells, to full on black metal screaming. However once you listen to the lyrics for a long time you start to understand them. Just like a very foreign accent. After enough exposure you start to pick up on it. Another thing to consider. Most metal heads listen to music for a totally different reason than a lot of people ( especially non-musicians ). There's very little connection with the music that a lot of people want, and that vocals with intelligible lyrics give. One reason why KsE and other screamo bands are popular, because they mix heavy elements with catchy, connective vocals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tmetaler Posted August 6, 2006 Members Share Posted August 6, 2006 Originally posted by mparsons One reason why KsE and other screamo bands are popular, because they mix heavy elements with catchy, connective vocals. ummm... dude... KsE isnt scremo... they are metalcore... like god forbid etc... they are one (and a half in my opinion) step up on the ladder than scremo, but thats just based on overall musicality.. and who's Devin Townsend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mparsons Posted August 6, 2006 Author Members Share Posted August 6, 2006 Devin Townsend is the guitarist/vocalist/producer for Strapping Young Lad, Synchestra, and the Devin Townsend Band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members manoeuver Posted August 6, 2006 Members Share Posted August 6, 2006 Didn't townsend do some work with Vai? dude's got bizarrely dynamic vocal ability. mind bending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mparsons Posted August 6, 2006 Author Members Share Posted August 6, 2006 Yes, he did, now that you mention it. Definitely my favorite vocalist. Literally EVERY technique and sound you could want. I've never heard him do the death metal growly stuff but I'm sure he could pull it off flawlessy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tangman Posted August 6, 2006 Members Share Posted August 6, 2006 I love Devin Townsend, the skullets amazing!! one of my favourite vocalists is Mikael Akerveldt, I think he has some crazy skills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mparsons Posted August 6, 2006 Author Members Share Posted August 6, 2006 Can't have a discussion about great metal vocals without bringing in Opeth I think In Flame's singer has evolved nicely and developped a good, unique style for Come Clarity as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slickrick1688 Posted August 7, 2006 Members Share Posted August 7, 2006 Not a big fan of metal drumming. Ill just leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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