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Here's the latest pics. I wired up the heaters. First experience with cloth-covered wiring; even though I have plenty of multi-colored 600v wire, it seems a shame to not use this stuff at least to try:

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An "action picture" of the chassis cradle I built:

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Soldered board pictures:

boardLdone.jpg

boardRdone-1.jpg

A couple things: I'm a little unsure about the orientation of output transformer- GM, your instructions first say to put the brown, blue, red wires through the hole closest the sockets. Then later you show it the other way...?

 

Those capacitor clamp/mounts are a PITA... I formed them around a big (wrench) socket and used a longer screw; then the mounting tab holes didn't line up with the pre-drilled chassis holes. A little more creative bending of the tabs was needed- I kind of bent them down and then back up so the were effectively shorter; still the whole business wasn't easy and those cans are mounted really tightly once I tightened the whole business down.

The verdict is yet to come out on the cloth vs. plastic insulation wire. I guess I'd really like to use the colored stuff 'cause it's purty, but don't know what the "right" colors are to use where...

What are you guys using to get good pics? Lighting it right seems to be the key; I'm not getting it yet.

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A couple things: I'm a little unsure about the orientation of output transformer- GM, your instructions first say to put the brown, blue, red wires through the hole closest the sockets. Then later you show it the other way...?


 

 

sorry man - i went back and rethought the output orientation due to the position of the bias pot. i must have skipped a step somewhere - i just went back and edited the original post to reflect the changes. sorry for the confusion.

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What are you guys using to get good pics? Lighting it right seems to be the key; I'm not getting it yet.

 

 

Lighting is key. If you can't get good pics in your workspace, you need better lighting not just for the pics, but also for your own eyes. Get a work table/desk lamp and improve your work space.

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Lighting is key. If you can't get good pics in your workspace, you need better lighting not just for the pics, but also for your own eyes. Get a work table/desk lamp and improve your work space.

 

 

Well, I do have an 8' double-lamp fluorescent directly over the bench, and a 300-watt incandescent behind me. Plus I use an Optivisor to get in close...I can see fine, but apparently my camera doesn't like the light. It either flashes and glares off everything, or it just doesn't look right. I put a 500-watt halogen

on for some of these pictures, and it still doesn't look right. Maybe I need to RTFM of the camera's!

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I did a lot of work over the weekend; here's some shots before I started more work today:

ampL.jpg

ampR.jpg

I decided to do the "deluxe" can cap mount version because I have a Greenlee 1-1/8" chassis punch.

GM, you might want to mention at the point in the instructions where you mount the can caps about this later version; I mentioned earlier what a bitch it was to mount them to begin with.

More importantly, tonight I got to the point where I would start wiring the preamp sockets and there are the instructions about the best way to wire it by running wires from the board underside. At this point I can't do this, because I've already run the signal wires to the power tubes on the top side of the board. So to do it "right" I'll need to desolder (cut through the heatshrink first) at least the wire going to v4.

I don't know how Pickdust did this- it looks like he did it in order, too...he had to have caught this earlier...?

Time to start desoldering:rolleyes:

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I don't know how Pickdust did this- it looks like he did it in order, too...he had to have caught this earlier...?

Time to start desoldering:rolleyes:

 

I need to start on mine this weekend so I can give an alternate process. I couldn't do it in the order GM did. :D

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I need to start on mine this weekend so I can give an alternate process. I couldn't do it in the order GM did.
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I was originally going to wait to start mine after yours, so I could get an alternate version, but then I got antsy and had to get going on it. My wife is blowing down the house with the amp I BUILT FOR HER FIRST.

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So the good news is you know you can do it. I'm sure you'll do just fine with GM's instructions. They will be more complete than mine. I expect mine will be mostly alternate steps and big picture stuff. The connections will all be the same.

 

I wish I had gotten an earlier jump, but I'm in month one of my new business and startups take a lot of work to get rolling.

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I did a lot of work over the weekend; here's some shots before I started more work today:

ampL.jpg
ampR.jpg
I decided to do the "deluxe" can cap mount version because I have a Greenlee 1-1/8" chassis punch.

GM, you might want to mention at the point in the instructions where you mount the can caps about this later version; I mentioned earlier what a bitch it was to mount them to begin with.

More importantly, tonight I got to the point where I would start wiring the preamp sockets and there are the instructions about the best way to wire it by running wires from the board underside. At this point I can't do this, because I've already run the signal wires to the power tubes on the top side of the board. So to do it "right" I'll need to desolder (cut through the heatshrink first) at least the wire going to v4.

I don't know how Pickdust did this- it looks like he did it in order, too...he had to have caught this earlier...?

Time to start desoldering:rolleyes:

 

Nope! Didn't catch this earlier. My first reaction was :facepalm: how the hell am I going to to fix this! I actually de-soldered the leads to the power tube pins 6 (I originally used electrical tape) got some heat shrink and re-soldered them after I did the under board leads. My next one will include all the underboard leads first to avoid the multiple board de-installs. Absolutely nothing against Guttermouth's instructions. If I hadn't been so anxious I would have spotted all this up front....but NOOOooooooooo!

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Nope! Didn't catch this earlier. My first reaction was
:facepalm:
how the hell am I going to to fix this! I actually de-soldered the leads to the power tube pins 6 (I originally used electrical tape) got some heat shrink and re-soldered them after I did the under board leads. My next one will include all the underboard leads first to avoid the multiple board de-installs. Absolutely nothing against Guttermouth's instructions. If I hadn't been so anxious I would have spotted all this up front....but NOOOooooooooo!

 

 

sorry about that man. i forgot about you guys doing your phase inverter leads over the board.

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I finished soldering last night. OK, I know GM wants me to "wait a couple days"; ain't gonna happen! So, tonight it's getting power.

Here's the sequence of events: First, a power tube doesn't light up on initial turn-on. I check for heater voltages, OK. Switch the power tubes, now they're both coming on. OK!? Flip the standby, no smoke. GM, there should be something in these instructions before this point about always having speakers plugged in...yes I had them plugged in. I'm checking voltages when I hear a hum start developing. I take a look at the tubes, and one's starting to red plate! Click, off it goes. OK, at least I have some idea about voltages in there now- I look up what the bias is supposed to be, and come up with about 37ma (w/ 420 plate volts). Flip it back on again and check bias- eek, like 20-something! Turned up (down?) all the way, I'm on 33ma...

What now?

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OK, the grid resistor values are different- one is 5.64 and the other is 5.88. Both higher than specified 5.1.

I don't know exactly what they were when I put them in, but I know they were closer than that. Could this be the problem? These are the resistors I had to unsolder to get at the bottom of the board. So they've had heat put to them 4 times- apparently the value has drifted?

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I'm checking voltages when I hear a hum start developing. I take a look at the tubes, and one's starting to red plate! Click, off it goes. OK, at least I have some idea about voltages in there now- I look up what the bias is supposed to be, and come up with about 37ma (w/ 420 plate volts). Flip it back on again and check bias- eek, like 20-something! Turned up (down?) all the way, I'm on 33ma...

What now?

 

 

if you've got high voltage and bias on your tubes you can swap out the 47k bias range resistor attached to the bias pot to get more or less voltage.

chances are though, with all your other issues - you've got something wired incorrectly or a bad tube. can you post a couple of close up pics of the finished amp?

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OK, the grid resistor values are different- one is 5.64 and the other is 5.88. Both higher than specified 5.1.

I don't know exactly what they were when I put them in, but I know they were closer than that. Could this be the problem? These are the resistors I had to unsolder to get at the bottom of the board. So they've had heat put to them 4 times- apparently the value has drifted?

 

 

 

you probably have a bum tube or short somewhere that is pulling waaay too much current.

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Just to let anyone know...I came home early Friday to (at least in part) work on the amp. At 1:20pm, we had the storm of the century hit here. 100mph straight-line winds came through and dropped trees all over the place. One fell on our van parked in the driveway...

Power still hasn't been restored to most of the city, and needless to say I'm not doing any amplifier work. mostly I've been using a chainsaw f or the last 3 days! I'm here at my workplace this morning; they got power back yesterday.

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