Members malfunkt Posted December 12, 2005 Members Share Posted December 12, 2005 Originally posted by urbanscallywag No I don't care for the Ion.OK I will qualify, digital but not VA. Korg Z1 - okay, not all parameters are available from the front face. But this is a powerful synth... it doesn't have the best VA emulation but as a synthesizer it is fantastic. Good range of acoustic, synth and experimental possibilities. Fantastic controller keyboard! good value on the used market! (Plug - mine will be up for sale soon as I have a one keyboard rule!) Microwave XTk / XT - knobby and noisy! Monomachine - hey, you said it! Fantastic synthesizer and sequencer. Kraftwerk in a box. Fairly knobby...can be polyphonic. even in mono mode some of the "machines" (instruments) can have chorus or extra osc whch can be controlled at each step. V-synth - obviously, good choice. It is part VA but is primarly sample weirdness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheProteus Posted December 12, 2005 Members Share Posted December 12, 2005 Originally posted by zarquin hmm,, what non-VA digital synthasis types are there out there?Physical modeling.. FM, Wavetable, Addative.. are there more??so, i guess the Z1.. Dx200, XT, the K5000s are all there... Yeah, lots. Granular synthesis, resynthesis (taking a sound waveform, doing an FFT on it, then modifying the spectrum in interesting ways), spiral synthesis, and depending on what you meant by 'wavetable' synthesis, there are various types of that too - Waldorf wavescanning type synthesis, Korg wavesequencing style synthesis, and also Korg and others waveshaping synthesis. There's also Casio phase distortion synthesis, made popular by the CZ series of synths. In the research lab these days there's also wavelet synthesis, and other things that expand upon physical (analog or acoustic) modeling synthesis, but these are of little use to musicians so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sizzlemeister Posted December 12, 2005 Members Share Posted December 12, 2005 Originally posted by TheProteus Yeah, lots.Granular synthesis, resynthesis (taking a sound waveform, doing an FFT on it, then modifying the spectrum in interesting ways), spiral synthesis, and depending on what you meant by 'wavetable' synthesis, there are various types of that too - Waldorf wavescanning type synthesis, Korg wavesequencing style synthesis, and also Korg and others waveshaping synthesis. There's also Casio phase distortion synthesis, made popular by the CZ series of synths.In the research lab these days there's also wavelet synthesis, and other things that expand upon physical (analog or acoustic) modeling synthesis, but these are of little use to musicians so far. What are wavelet and spiral synthesis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TDman Posted December 12, 2005 Members Share Posted December 12, 2005 Originally posted by Cruel Hoax Allow me to cast a vote toward the K5000 (perhaps a rack, with programmer). -Hoax Yeah, I would say the same, except those programmers are pretty rare these days... I'll have to go with the K5000S, such a great sound and nice-feeling keys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheProteus Posted December 12, 2005 Members Share Posted December 12, 2005 Originally posted by sizzlemeister What are wavelet and spiral synthesis? Wavelet synthesis uses wavelets to build up sounds in an additive manner - but this is not additive synthesis. For a good overview on wavelets, check out here. BIG MATH WARNING!! Spiral synthesis is different on many levels. Rather than try and include an overly geeky technical explanation here, I'll refer you to this link here. EVEN BIGGER MATH WARNING!! Both are pretty cool. But, they require a competent understanding of signal theory in order to use efficiently given the current state of the art. I hope that some day we (the academics and geeks who have a penchant for music) will be able to build a more intuitive interface for these kinds of synthesis types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillyWa Posted December 12, 2005 Members Share Posted December 12, 2005 Andromeda, XTk and K5000s could never work well together. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sealed Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 How about KORG EMX-1?It seems to be the extended version of Z1 and Moss with PCM. It also has knobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members suitandtieguy Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 Originally posted by malfunkt Korg Z1 - okay, not all parameters are available from the front face. But this is a powerful synth... it doesn't have the best VA emulation but as a synthesizer it is fantastic. Good range of acoustic, synth and experimental possibilities. Fantastic controller keyboard! good value on the used market! (Plug - mine will be up for sale soon as I have a one keyboard rule!) yeah i gotta say you'll have to pry my Z1 from my cold dead hands before i would part with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cruel_Hoax Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 Originally posted by TheProteus In the research lab these days there's also wavelet synthesis, but these are of little use to musicians so far. Ah, wavelet synthesis! I remember SonicWorx Artist on Mac OS8. Man, you could get some alien-sounding stuff mangling with that! Those guys were ahead of their time. As a matter of fact, I may just fire up the ol' beige G3 266, just to mess with it! -Hoax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zarquin Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 Originally posted by TheProteus Yeah, lots.Granular synthesis, resynthesis (taking a sound waveform, doing an FFT on it, then modifying the spectrum in interesting ways), spiral synthesis, and depending on what you meant by 'wavetable' synthesis, there are various types of that too - Waldorf wavescanning type synthesis, Korg wavesequencing style synthesis, and also Korg and others waveshaping synthesis. There's also Casio phase distortion synthesis, made popular by the CZ series of synths.In the research lab these days there's also wavelet synthesis, and other things that expand upon physical (analog or acoustic) modeling synthesis, but these are of little use to musicians so far. but can you buy a hardware granular synth? there are some G2 patches you can put together to do that kind of thing... the Neuron is a resynthesis one if i understood its description correctly.. so there is another one to add... i hadn't heard of wavelet or spiral syntheseis before.. going to have to look those up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 13ghostsofscoobydoo Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 monomachine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheRain Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 Originally posted by zarquin but can you buy a hardware granular synth? Two hardware synths that can do granular stuff are the Machinedrum UW and the Roland V-synth (in it's own sort of way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zarquin Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 Originally posted by Cruel Hoax Ah, wavelet synthesis! I remember SonicWorx Artist on Mac OS8. Man, you could get some alien-sounding stuff mangling with that! Those guys were ahead of their time. As a matter of fact, I may just fire up the ol' beige G3 266, just to mess with it! -Hoax i just found that you can download it for free from http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/sonicWORX_Artist/ and its now freeware. cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aeon Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 Originally posted by Cruel Hoax Ah, wavelet synthesis! I remember SonicWorx Artist on Mac OS8. Man, you could get some alien-sounding stuff mangling with that! Those guys were ahead of their time.As a matter of fact, I may just fire up the ol' beige G3 266, just to mess with it! Worked with OS9 also...SonicWorX PowerBundle here... ...said code was the initial genes that led to the beginnings of the Hartmann Neuron. cheers,Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pix Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 If going waldorf my vote goes for the Q keyboard. you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aeon Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 Pity they made Artist free, but not Producer or the full PowerBundle... Ah well, the "arty" plugs were in Artist anyway. cheers, Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zarquin Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 well, it appears that you can get the powerbundle as well for free... http://www.prosoniq.com/index.html go to download -> freebies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cruel_Hoax Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 Originally posted by zarquin i just found that you can download it for free from http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/sonicWORX_Artist/ and its now freeware. cool zarquin, you have officially roxxored my soxxors! You just gained bigtime cool points. Thanks! EDIT: Direct link for Firefoxers (like myself) for whom the above link no worky: http://www.prosoniq.net/pub/freebies/mac/swar250f.hqx -Hoax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aeon Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 zarquin, thanks so much! It was worth buying back in the day, and worth downloading now! cheers, Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members U&I Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 From Memory only here - 1.Roland JD800 2.Roland Vsynth 3.Roland JP8000 3.Korg MS2000 4.Alesis ION 5.Yamaha AN1X (too an extent) 6.Nord Modular , Lead 1 , 2 , 3 7.Waldorf Q 8.Waldorf XTK 9.Quasimidi SIRIUS 10.Kawai K5000S (too an extent like the AN1X) 11.Access Virus TI / Indigo etc ..... Well those come too mind off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khazul Posted December 13, 2005 Members Share Posted December 13, 2005 I would add the older Novation synths as well - Supernova 2, KS series. KS-Rack is still available new if you hunt around - I have one and still use it alot alongside my Virus TI and V-Synth, and considering how cheap they are now (bought mine in the summer new for about 250UKP) - its a really good little synth and very easy to program/tweak, and can be trivially layered (4 part multi) for really fat lead sounds. It has a loads of useful waves built in in addition to the usual sine/saw/tri/square so there alot of sonic flexibility in it. You can even use the drum sample waves a pitches osc souces as well - makes for some great bass sounds, and gotta love the filter overdrive on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zarquin Posted December 14, 2005 Members Share Posted December 14, 2005 A lot of those just mentioned i would say are VA. which he's not interested in... though i guess the TI does have that wavetable stuff.. has anyone tried those parts of the TI's yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members organ man Posted December 14, 2005 Members Share Posted December 14, 2005 Just get a JD800 and be done with it! They're relatively cheap, cover all the digital sounds (glass/bells/piano/guitar) and they have a lovely warm, full sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Karma1 Posted December 14, 2005 Members Share Posted December 14, 2005 NOVATION X-STATIONI just bought the 49 key version to replace my Roland JP8000. It's got tons of realtime control - knobs, sliders, and a Kaoss Pad-like X/Y controller. I also have a JD800 which is an awesome synth, but I don't like to take it out for gigs. For me, the perfect gig combination is the X-Station midi'd to a Triton Rack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sizzlemeister Posted December 14, 2005 Members Share Posted December 14, 2005 Originally posted by organ man Just get a JD800 and be done with it! They're relatively cheap, cover all the digital sounds (glass/bells/piano/guitar) and they have a lovely warm, full sound. As much as I like my JD800, I'm contemplating upgrading it to a VSynth. Still thinking on that one. But I don't think that's the kind of digital synth urban is looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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