Members mukuzi Posted November 26, 2002 Members Share Posted November 26, 2002 when voicing seventh chordsthe root or the third or the seventh in the bass onlythere are a few exceptionsbut only a fewdo you know them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thelonius74 Posted November 26, 2002 Members Share Posted November 26, 2002 Is this a question or a bad poem? I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mukuzi Posted November 27, 2002 Author Members Share Posted November 27, 2002 it is not a bad poem well maybe it is................ anyway its about voicing the dominant chord somthing i feel very strongly about think of it as a quiz with no prize:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sansunzeste Posted November 27, 2002 Members Share Posted November 27, 2002 Here's a guess:You can play the flat 5 in the bass in order to get a tri tone substitution. This doesn't sound to great unless you ommit (sp?) the the fifth in the chord structure. (which I find to be somewhat common in the first place)Say C7: C E G BbThe tritone is E and Bb (3 and dom7)Play Gb in bass.Gb C E Bb (leaving out fifth (G))Now Gb=1 Dbb©=b5 E=dom7 Bb=3same tritone Bb and E (E, Bb just flipped)This gives you a dominant diminished fifth chord. Gb7-5Did I win? Please o wise one show me my error! I've gotta a feeling a made one. Or just didn't answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thelonius74 Posted November 27, 2002 Members Share Posted November 27, 2002 Originally posted by skatan it is not a bad poemwell maybe it is................anywayits about voicing the dominant chordsomthing i feel very strongly aboutthink of it as a quiz with no prize:) what I was asking is if you could rephrase the question more clearly, I do not understand it. "when voicing seventh chordsthis starts out like a question but does not finish like onethe root or the third or the seventh in the bass onlythere is no verb in this sentence. I'm really not trying to be rude, I'm funning with you, but I just don't understand what you were/are asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mukuzi Posted November 27, 2002 Author Members Share Posted November 27, 2002 Originally posted by sansunzeste Here's a guess: You can play the flat 5 in the bass in order to get a tri tone substitution. This doesn't sound to great unless you ommit (sp?) the the fifth in the chord structure. (which I find to be somewhat common in the first place) Say C7: C E G Bb The tritone is E and Bb (3 and dom7) Play Gb in bass. Gb C E Bb (leaving out fifth (G)) Now Gb=1 Dbb(C)=b5 E=dom7 Bb=3 same tritone Bb and E (E, Bb just flipped) This gives you a dominant diminished fifth chord. Gb7-5 Did I win? Please o wise one show me my error! I've gotta a feeling a made one. Or just didn't answer the question. the chord will change names my sonit now be D7b13 I just don't understand what you were/are asking. is there another way to voice a dominant chord, other than with the third or seventh (or root) in the bass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thamiam Posted November 27, 2002 Members Share Posted November 27, 2002 Originally posted by skatan is there another way to voice a dominant chord, other than with the third or seventh (or root) in the bass What is wrong with voicing with the 5th in the bass? I would do that more often than the 3rd or 7th in the bass. (unless I was going for a completely rootless voicing, say in a larger ensemble) For instance, one of the standard 'Freddie Green' voicings: G7D - B - F5 - 3 - 7 E: XB: XG: 10D: 9A: XE: 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thamiam Posted November 27, 2002 Members Share Posted November 27, 2002 Originally posted by skatan is there another way to voice a dominant chord, other than with the third or seventh (or root) in the bass Of course, after reading some other posts of yours, it occurs to me that you may be talking about classical voicing in a similar manner to the ongoing "counterpoint and voice leading" threads. In which case feel free to ignore my previous post as I was talking about practical voicings for guitar in an ensemble situation. Apples and Oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sansunzeste Posted November 27, 2002 Members Share Posted November 27, 2002 Originally posted by skatan the chord will change names my sonit now be D7b13 I understand the question now and my answer had nothing to do with it but why would a Gb C E Bb chord be D7-13? Im confused. Are you saying without the D root? What I was trying to say was by simply changing the bass note to Gb in a C7 chord it makes it a Gb7-5 chord. Maybe I'm wrong. My answer has nothing to do with inversions, which now I understand was what your question was regarding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TubeAddict Posted November 28, 2002 Members Share Posted November 28, 2002 Originally posted by skatan is there another way to voice a dominant chord, other than with the third or seventh (or root) in the bass If it is not part of a V7-I, what is the big deal with the 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mukuzi Posted December 18, 2002 Author Members Share Posted December 18, 2002 five allways go`s to 1 or 5 or 2 or a version of the above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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