Members vanguard Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 so i'm trading some stuff for either a 60's jaguar or a 60's jazzmaster; both sunburst. what are the pros and cons of each instrument, and which would you choose? ps, does anyone know which kevin shields prefered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuyaGuy Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 Originally posted by vanguard so i'm trading some stuff for either a 60's jaguar or a 60's jazzmaster; both sunburst. what are the pros and cons of each instrument, and which would you choose? ps, does anyone know which kevin shields prefered? KS played both. the jag has better shielding and so less hum. the JM has hotter and possibly zingier pickups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members troubbble Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 Adding better shielding is as simple as lining the innards with copper tape stuff...right? And it wouldn't mess with the condition of it because you can just pull it off...right? Just something to think about, I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elctmist Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 Originally posted by vanguard so i'm trading some stuff for either a 60's jaguar or a 60's jazzmaster; both sunburst. what are the pros and cons of each instrument, and which would you choose? ps, does anyone know which kevin shields prefered? Jazzmaster if I remember rightly. But you shouldn't let that influence your judgement. So here goes: Have you used a strat or a tele before? If you prefer the sound of the tele go for the Jaguar. The Jazzmaster is more mellow and can even sound like a Rickenbacker or a semi in some settings. A Jaguar always has a wirey edge, even with the bassy settings. Do you have large or small hands? Large hands favor the Jazzmaster, small the Jaguar, because it has a smaller scale. Do you play a lot of chords? Jaguar is nice for chords, you can reach a lot of grips you can't on a full scale. Do you play a lot of lead? Jazzmaster is slightly better for lead, as its not as cramped above the 12th fret. Jazzmaster is slightly easier to use live, but only slightly, and they both have more controls than a standard tele. Do you use a lot of fuzz pedals. Jaguar is better with fuzz, the pickups are less noisy than a Jazzmaster, and the treble switch makes for some interesting sounds, particularly with a Fuzz Factory/Probe. My choice is a Jag, but I like both. And Kevin uses a Mosrite these days anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuyaGuy Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 Originally posted by troubbble Adding better shielding is as simple as lining the innards with copper tape stuff...right? And it wouldn't mess with the condition of it because you can just pull it off...right?Just something to think about, I hope. right. just make sure everything you do is reversible so as not to affect a vintage guitar (or its value). see this site for shielding:http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/menu.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members (((echo))) Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 Originally posted by elctmist Kevin uses a Mosrite these days anyway. someone who worked with mbv at the time posted this on the fdp... Guitars - The white MIJ Jaguar sported the elongated scrathplate because Kevin installed a strat trem on it, it didn't work and played like sh*t so it was removed. CAR Jazzmaster - Neck date, pots, internal routing, dot marker all point to 1958...only the transition logo says it is not. Sunburst Jag 1965 - Used live for one song only 'Soon', due to how Kevin recorded the guitars for Soon in the studio he need a guitar that sounded a certain way. This Jag has a split along the 2 halves of the body join, hence it doesn't quite 'ring' properly....but it was perfect for Soon Also had 2 other MIJ Seymour Duncan PU's and a series of Cap / resistors were installed which were designed to limit the frequency of the PU's Also, the MBV rig on Guitargeek is not at all accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elctmist Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 Originally posted by (((echo))) someone who worked with mbv at the time posted this on the fdp...Guitars - The white MIJ Jaguar sported the elongated scrathplate because Kevin installed a strat trem on it, it didn't work and played like sh*t so it was removed.CAR Jazzmaster - Neck date, pots, internal routing, dot marker all point to 1958...only the transition logo says it is not.Sunburst Jag 1965 - Used live for one song only 'Soon', due to how Kevin recorded the guitars for Soon in the studio he need a guitar that sounded a certain way. This Jag has a split along the 2 halves of the body join, hence it doesn't quite 'ring' properly....but it was perfect for SoonAlso had 2 other MIJ Seymour Duncan PU's and a series of Cap / resistors were installed which were designed to limit the frequency of the PU'sAlso, the MBV rig on Guitargeek is not at all accurate. I saw them live a couple of times. KS seemed to stick with Jazzmasters live and Belinda used the Jags and later a Charvel Surfcaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DanyoSound Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 I like the Jaguar better for two reasons: 1) It has the smaller scale neck (24' versus 25.5 in Jazzmasters and Stratocasters) 2) The metal pieces make it sparkle onstage. So beautiful. Whichever you get, I recommend replacing the bridge with a Mustang bridge. No modification is required to do it. Jag/Jazz bridges suck, and make the guitar go out of tune pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elctmist Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 But seriously don't pick one or the other because of what Shields played. The MBV sound is like the indie version of the Edge's sound -- its played out, used up, dead and gone -- and you can get it out of a bunch of other guitars anyway, like the Epi Firebird with trem bar for instance. Jags & Jazzes have many other sounds to recommend them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members (((echo))) Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 Originally posted by DanyoSound Whichever you get, I recommend replacing the bridge with a Mustang bridge. No modification is required to do it. Jag/Jazz bridges suck, and make the guitar go out of tune pretty quickly. i was quick to jump on the mustang bandwagon a few years back and put them on both of my cij's but with my new one i replaced the t-o-m that someone stupidly installed and found a av jazz/jag bridge and upped my string gauge and i think i'll definitely stick with this bridge.. i think the mustang bridge robs the guitar of some of it's best qualities sound wise.. it was really a night and day difference between the jazz/jag bridge and the t-o-m i vote for the jazzmaster... whatever it is about the guitar i just love it. the jags i've played never felt right to me and i've got average sized hands, maybe even a tad bit on the smaller side fwiw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elctmist Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 Originally posted by (((echo))) i was quick to jump on the mustang bandwagon a few years back and put them on both of my cij's but with my new one i replaced the t-o-m that someone stupidly installed and found a av jazz/jag bridge and upped my string gauge and i think i'll definitely stick with this bridge.. i think the mustang bridge robs the guitar of some of it's best qualities sound wise.. it was really a night and day difference between the jazz/jag bridge and the t-o-m Depends, if you play hard, I'd go the mustang route. I kept knocking the 12-54 set on my Jag off center til I went to the Mustang bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Max Factor Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 my buddy used to play a JagStang (pos, but I digress...) we were recording and the engineer thought we should try his Jazzmaster instead of the JagStang. Buddy sez: I don't want to hurt it, I play pretty rough. Engineer sez: Hurt it!?! This hear's a man's guitar!! and then he bounced his prize instrument off the floor. Ever since then, I've been more and more impressed with the tone and feel of the Jazzmaster. It's a classic I wished I owned. Not so with the Jaguar (nor Mustang, not Jagstang...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members doug deeper Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 i like jaguars... i have big hands...and i can alot of stuff on the jag that i could never do on a jazzmaster... i put a set of duncan hot for jag pus in mine...and its good stuff now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members capnbringdown Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 Curious, is the mustang or the jm bridge like a strats? Or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members riffdaddy Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 You are new to this forum, but you will quickly learn that one guitar trumps all others around these parts. That's just how we roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Diabolus_in_Musica Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 Originally posted by capnbringdown Curious, is the mustang or the jm bridge like a strats? Or no? less sustain, more twang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elctmist Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 Originally posted by capnbringdown Curious, is the mustang or the jm bridge like a strats? Or no? nope, its more like a tom or bigsby with the trem behind the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Diabolus_in_Musica Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 has more punch(longer scale gives it more tension which hits yer amp harder... ) I didn't like 10 gauge strings , but my 11 gauge sets are played in E flat, otherwise they're pretty unbendable(surf music!). Jaguars seem too wimpy.. but kevin stilll uses one(red I think) I got pics. I've got a roller bridge I beileve its called, not bad.. don't think it'll pop right into a vintage bridge posts unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elctmist Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 Originally posted by Diabolus_in_Musica has more punch(longer scale gives it more tension which hits yer amp harder... ) Nah, simply not true, pickups etc are far more important. Otherwise Fenders would be louder than Gibsons and that mostly isn't the case. '63 Jags seem to have especially hot, dark pickups, the same may be true for jazzes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zhivago Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 I used to own a Jag for 4 years, and then graduated to Jazzmasters...I find them more comfortable. (I'm 6ft 3", and have large hands too)basicaly, I'd say try both.you know...there's a possibility you don't like either of them.....as far as the mustang bridge goes, again...first shim the neck, put heavy strings on (at least 11s on the Jazzmaster...12s on the Jag) and then see if you need to change the bridge.what I'm saying is, I've played these guitars for years, and never had problems with them once they were setup the way they were made to be setup.I've been on the FDP Jazzmaster/Jag side for years, and the people that I've heard of having problems with them usualy either have them setup badly, or they don't know how to set them up (shims, string gauges etc) or they just have a very heavy attack on the strings.my Jazzmasters: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members farfignewgon Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 I'd have to pick the jazzmaster as well. I have a mustang too, which isn't a bad guitar, i just don't care for the short scale because i have large hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CS Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 Zhivago's 64 JM is one of the best guitars I have played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Argali Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 I prefer the JM simply because I have large hands, and I feel cramped on the Jaguar's shorter scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zhivago Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 Originally posted by CS Zhivago's 64 JM is one of the best guitars I have played. is it me or is it a bit heavy though? the '67 is a lot lighter..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CS Posted November 11, 2005 Members Share Posted November 11, 2005 I have not played the 67 yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.