Members SirJackdeFuzz Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 OK guys, lets jump back in time, to the 1990's ! Lets think GRUNGE (not Nirvana) but, Soundgarden SUPERUNKNOWN, era By then, both Kim & Chris Cornell played guitar, but i want Kim Thyll's(sp?) dark & moody tone ! So, recommend me ONE dirt-box that will place me solidly in the SUPERUNKNOWN ball-park ! Remember, i will play through a Blues Jr. and Epi LP with vintage voiced SD pu's = '59(b)/SetLover(n) Is there a pedal that can re-create the dark, doomy/moody tone of Kim's tone ??? Thanx guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lanefair Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 DS-2 for sure (I just youtubed that song you said.) Oh you'll need humbuckers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SirJackdeFuzz Posted December 13, 2006 Author Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally posted by Lanefair DS-2 for sure (I just youtubed that song you said.) Oh you'll need humbuckers too. THANX MATE ! Don't know how well you know Soundgarden (hopefully very well), but Superunknown is not just a song, but also the name of their break-through album. Do you think that the DS-2 will be able to do the other tracks on the album too ? I never even thought of a Boss pedal that could do the trick ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lanefair Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Only other song I know is black hole sun. I own a DS-2, and I hear it's what Kurt Cobain used (ok he wasn't full on grunge) but yeah I think that's a very similar sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alteredsounds Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 BadMotorFinger is THE Soundgarden album, slabs of thick walls of guitars, rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members angus_old Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally posted by SirJackdeFuzz I never even thought of a Boss pedal that could do the trick ! most of the early grunge bands used the cheapest stuff they could find; they couldn't afford anything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr. Poopsicle Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 DS-2 is all over Nirvana "From the Muddy Banks of the Wishkah" for reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lanefair Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 I think the pickups play a big part though. Kurt used Jaguars or Jazzmasters or whatever they are (single coils anyway). Grunge bands were more like Les Pauls..... I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sonaboy Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally posted by SirJackdeFuzz OK guys, lets jump back in time, to the 1990's ! Lets think GRUNGE (not Nirvana) but, Soundgarden SUPERUNKNOWN, era By then, both Kim & Chris Cornell played guitar, but i want Kim Thyll's(sp?) dark & moody tone ! So, recommend me ONE dirt-box that will place me solidly in the SUPERUNKNOWN ball-park ! Remember, i will play through a Blues Jr. and Epi LP with vintage voiced SD pu's = '59(b)/SetLover(n) Is there a pedal that can re-create the dark, doomy/moody tone of Kim's tone ??? Thanx guys you won't really get close with that setup. aside from the fact that Kim used strange tunings, dropped tunings, extra thick strings, at that point, he was also using amp distortion from Boogie rectifiers through large cabs. you're fighting an uphill battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SirJackdeFuzz Posted December 13, 2006 Author Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally posted by sonaboy you won't really get close with that setup.aside from the fact that Kim used strange tunings, dropped tunings, extra thick strings, at that point, he was also using amp distortion from Boogie rectifiers through large cabs.you're fighting an uphill battle. Understood . . . . . . but a battle worth fighting, as i will have an Orange TT (probably w. a 1x12, or 1x15 closed back cab) come mid-07 (at the very latest). OK, so it is NOT a Boogie, but it is heavier sounding than my Blues Jr. Keep those oppions comming . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SirJackdeFuzz Posted December 13, 2006 Author Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally posted by alteredsounds BadMotorFinger is THE Soundgarden album, slabs of thick walls of guitars, rules That album is in my TOP 10 albums of all time, but then again, so too is SUPERUNKNOWN !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr.Picklebottom Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally posted by sonaboy you won't really get close with that setup. aside from the fact that Kim used strange tunings, dropped tunings, extra thick strings, at that point, he was also using amp distortion from Boogie rectifiers through large cabs. you're fighting an uphill battle. yep. and the fact youre copying someone who was trying to create a unique sound makes me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SirJackdeFuzz Posted December 13, 2006 Author Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally posted by onbongos most of the early grunge bands used the cheapest stuff they could find; they couldn't afford anything else . . . are you saying i should try a Behringer or Dano box ? Hell, it might just work - for ball-park Grunge, but i want ball-park Soundgarden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members goldie-gold Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally posted by Lanefair I think the pickups play a big part though. Kurt used Jaguars or Jazzmasters or whatever they are (single coils anyway). Grunge bands were more like Les Pauls..... I think. I am pretty sure Kurt used guitars with humbuckers in the bridge position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SirJackdeFuzz Posted December 13, 2006 Author Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally posted by Mr.Picklebottom yep. and the fact youre copying someone who was trying to create a unique sound makes me No really copy as per se, more ball-park, with my own sick twist added ! I'll never be able to play in a cover band that try to simmulate a tone 100% - that's just not me ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members utterhack Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally posted by SirJackdeFuzz By then, both Kim & Chris Cornell played guitar By then Anyhoo, Zoom Tri-Metal on a (relatively) low gain setting will get you in the ballpark. I use it for 4th of July and Outshined. Box Of Rock with gain and boost up high does pretty well too. But frankly, any good stiff dose of distortion will get you in the ballpark. I'm tempted to break out the DS-1 just to see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sonaboy Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 . there's not really a "signature" kim thayil sound, when i think about it...but anyway... i would look into any distortion pedal that has 3 band EQ or more. real tubedeath rattleAMT modelsjackhammer etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SirJackdeFuzz Posted December 13, 2006 Author Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally posted by utterhack By then Yup, as far as i know, Cornell did NOT play guitar on the first few albums, and only started playing that beautifull Gretsch, round about the SUPERUNKNOWN album period ! But then again, i might be slightly wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members freeridstylee Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 I know he used a peavey vtm 120 on badmotor. {censored} they sell for 200 bucks. Just get one of those and an a/b box. Maybe try the thunderchief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members utterhack Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally posted by SirJackdeFuzz Yup, as far as i know, Cornell did NOT play guitar on the first few albums, and only started playing that beautifull Gretsch, round about the SUPERUNKNOWN album period ! But then again, i might be slightly wrong Dunno about the Gretsch, but he played guitar on Ultramega OK, Flower, Louder Than Love and Badmotorfinger. Course, he started as a drummer... afaik he's the riffmeister and altered-tuning nut. Though Thayil rules in his own right and was always madman enough to solo in those altered tunings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yjsays Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Isn't Paranoid suppose to be in that sound range? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Musician-Sound-Design-PD1-Paranoid-Distortion?sku=153060 P.S. They have a clip of the pedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr.Picklebottom Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally posted by SirJackdeFuzz No really copy as per se, more ball-park, with my own sick twist added ! I'll never be able to play in a cover band that try to simmulate a tone 100% - that's just not me ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members M900 Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Originally posted by sonaboy you won't really get close with that setup.aside from the fact that Kim used strange tunings, dropped tunings, extra thick strings, at that point, he was also using amp distortion from Boogie rectifiers through large cabs.you're fighting an uphill battle. I don't have access to the pic now, but I think he was using a Peavey head (not the 5150), at least for his live rig. c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members M900 Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 Found the pic, courtesy of google; c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members opultaM Posted December 13, 2006 Members Share Posted December 13, 2006 4th of july has some of the best tone EVAR. sorry i have no idea how to get it. and if i did i'd probly keep it for myself anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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